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I'll have it noted that the unique 3d layering soundstage effect of the HE-400 is largely a component of its sound signature.  The withdrawn upper midrange helps push a lot of things back in its soundstage, sort of like if you were in the rear seats of an orchestral performance.  It helps subdue some of the upfront and aggressive/energetic aspects that come with having a more balanced upper midrange.  It also allows the fundamentals of lower midrange instruments to become more upfront and extremely layered sounding when they harmonize.  If you eq the upper midrange of the HE-400 to be more in line with the rest of its sound, it becomes more aggressive and in your face to me.
Other than scale ability, is the he500 just more refined in all areas? And by your comment, does that mean that if you eq the he400 the soundstage seems to be about the same as the he500?
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Other than scale ability, is the he500 just more refined in all areas? And by your comment, does that mean that if you eq the he400 the soundstage seems to be about the same as the he500?

Arguably, the bass is better on the HE400.

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Arguably, the bass is better on the HE400.


I wouldn't say that it's better but the HE400 does seem to have "more bass" than HE500 based on the general consensus here.

Feeding the HE500 with the Emotiva or other speaker amps, I find the bass to be plenty, well defined and punchy.  I will definitely try out the HE400 at the meet next month to compare for myself.

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Arguably, the bass is better on the HE400.
The soundstage and bass advantages are making me want to lean toward the he400...
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I wouldn't say that it's better but the HE400 does seem to have "more bass" than HE500 based on the general consensus here.

Feeding the HE500 with the Emotiva or other speaker amps, I find the bass to be plenty, well defined and punchy.  I will definitely try out the HE400 at the meet next month to compare for myself.

Lol not really. HE500 has a bigger-sounding bass than HE400 (due to a series of factors: better extension, slightly more bloom, and a slightly hump-ier FR in bass region), but when underpowered, HE500's bass is considerably less tight / tactile than HE400's, which makes HE400 bass more palpable / felt by the listener, if you know what I mean.

 

When given enough good power that gap in bass tightness closes up, and really I don't feel like HE400 has a superior bass any more.

 

One thing worth noting: when I say "bloom", it could be re-interpreted as slight harmonic distortion but in a benign way. HE500 and LCD2 both have midranges that bloom, for instance, just enough so that they sound more engaging and lush than drier headphones (e.g. HD800 or the AKGs) but aren't wet enough that they sound distorted/muddy.

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The soundstage and bass advantages are making me want to lean toward the he400...

If you're coming from a soundcard driving DT880, the HE-400 will be AMAZING for you, especially if you get it with the Magni/Modi combo. Your jaw will drop and the heavens will open up as angels descend singing in glorious harmony. After a month of this you might start to notice some flaws and then you'll be hungry for the HE-500 or maybe not. Who knows, but yeah either way it's going to be a win for you IMO, so do whatever makes you feel good. It's not like you're comparing Beats Studios to the HE-500.

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Balanced??? Am i missing something here M13?

What I mean is I have a two-sided scale hanging from the ceiling. On one side I have the Emotiva stacked with the Concero and on the other side I have a big bowl of rare Kois. The weights are perfectly "balanced" and so I can listen to my music while watching the pretty Kois swim around. Now if my Kois start growing I might have some problems as their weight will increase. Might have to keep buying bigger/heavier DACs to compensate or eat one of the Kois.

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If you're coming from a soundcard driving DT880, the HE-400 will be AMAZING for you, especially if you get it with the Magni/Modi combo. Your jaw will drop and the heavens will open up as angels descend singing in glorious harmony. After a month of this you might start to notice some flaws and then you'll be hungry for the HE-500 or maybe not. Who knows, but yeah either way it's going to be a win for you IMO, so do whatever makes you feel good. It's not like you're comparing Beats Studios to the HE-500.

And then another 3 or so years later, you will be so used to the HE500's capabilities and limitations in resolution, that you start growing curious of real summit-fi and all the headphone setups with costs in the stratospheres.

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And then another 3 or so years later, you will be so used to the HE500's capabilities and limitations in resolution, that you start growing curious of real summit-fi and all the headphone setups with costs in the stratospheres.

I remember when the HE-500 was part of Summit-Fi. LOL. Back when the LCD-2 was being called superior to the HD800 and any Stax without question and was the star child of Summit-Fi. Good times that.

 

What I like about the HE-500/LCD-2 teir of headphones is that they're somewhat "summit" while also being forgiving. I think in the end for me it's not about ultimate fidelity, but high enough fidelity to allow to me to truly enjoy music without any fatigue. Hell, I think I could have been very happy with either the HD600/HD650 if I was never introduced to the plague that is planars.

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I remember when the HE-500 was part of Summit-Fi. LOL. Back when the LCD-2 was being called superior to the HD800 and any Stax without question and was the star child of Summit-Fi. Good times that.

 

What I like about the HE-500/LCD-2 teir of headphones is that they're somewhat "summit" while also being forgiving. I think in the end for me it's not about ultimate fidelity, but high enough fidelity to allow to me to truly enjoy music without any fatigue. Hell, I think I could have been very happy with either the HD600/HD650 if I was never introduced to the plague that is planars.

Yeah, there should be a new sub-forum made called Musical-fi, where people rate headphones based on musicality. /s

 

Both HE500 and LCD2 get close to the musical ideal, where there is a warm inviting tonal balance, plus ample resolution, enough so that you can get lost in listening to music, but not enough that it picks apart music mastered or formatted in lesser fashions. I think LCD3 goes a step further and tuned into an even more musical tonal balance, that allows for even more detail and resolution without the picking-apart action kicking in; it's probably one of the top tier if not THE top tier musical cans in the "semi-neutral" range.

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The main thing that I can say is that I enjoy the Dt990 pro's amount of bass. It provides a little too much bass for me, but that's my expectations. If the He500 will reach close to that amount bass with the Magni, then I would be glad to buy them. If not, then that's where I begin to hesitate on buying them over the He400s.

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What I mean is I have a two-sided scale hanging from the ceiling. On one side I have the Emotiva stacked with the Concero and on the other side I have a big bowl of rare Kois. The weights are perfectly "balanced" and so I can listen to my music while watching the pretty Kois swim around. Now if my Kois start growing I might have some problems as their weight will increase. Might have to keep buying bigger/heavier DACs to compensate or eat one of the Kois.


roflmao, you are getting very eloquent with your threads.  deadhorse.gif

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The main thing that I can say is that I enjoy the Dt990 pro's amount of bass. It provides a little too much bass for me, but that's my expectations. If the He500 will reach close to that amount bass with the Magni, then I would be glad to buy them. If not, then that's where I begin to hesitate on buying them over the He400s.


Since you are going the amazon route, best solution for you is to buy both and return the one you don't like.  End of story.

We can talk about subjective differences all day long and still not sure if it will help you decide after all.  Good luck.

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Since you are going the amazon route, best solution for you is to buy both and return the one you don't like.  End of story.

We can talk about subjective differences all day long and still not sure if it will help you decide after all.  Good luck.

True true...

post #90 of 508

Hello, just joined the forum as I am in the same boat as the OP.

 

I was going to order the HE-400 + Senn HD600 (or HD650) do to some A/B comparisons. My current setup is Ultrasone Pro550. Output is PC > toslink > e17 > 1/8" jack. Music files are in various mp3 format, but of late been moving to FLAC with higher bitrates.

 

My music tastes have been changing from hip-hop/rap to more vocal and instrumental music. Songs that have real weight to the vocals.

 

I guess my question goes along the lines of comparison with the OP. What is the real diff between these two cans besides the $300 NIB price?

 

My upgrade plan was new cans, then Schiit Asgard 2 or Lyr and finally bifrost. I dont intend to go into the high-end headphone realm as I am also a big movie buff and the wife will only let me bankrupt us so much, so leaving some $$$ for the home theater is important.

 

All that aside I guess from reading this thread it sounds like the HE-500 will scale better than the HE-400. With my intended amp/dac future purchase and my current setup, would the HE-500 REALLY be worth it, knowing that the future purchase would likely be my last setup? Again I want one of the Hifiman cans to compare to the Senns. Would the better pairings be HE-400/HD600, HE-500/HD-650?

 

Appreciate your time.

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