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post #61 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

 

So, would you both agree that it's worth getting the He-500 and using it with that headphone output until I can afford the magni? The headphone output on the Logitech THX system was able to drive my dt880 250ohm headphones (that I returned) more than enough.

Just a heads up, the HE-500 is considerably harder to drive than the DT880 and the HE-400

post #62 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

Which is what's making this so difficult!

The HE500 are not worth it at $700 imho.  I got them NIB for $560.

post #63 of 508
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

+1.

 

My Emotiva is taken apart right now so I am listening to the HE500 on my Fiio E9K.  High gain, volume at 11:30.  Plenty punchy and enjoyable. The M/M stack should be just fine for a starting combo.  Go straight for the HE500.  I was in your situation not long ago.  Everything else, other posters have already said.  biggrin.gif

 

  Thanks, this is what I want to hear with the HE500 being shipped soon.  I hope I will be able to know if I will like it more or less than the HE400 considering the He500 won't be at it's full potential.  I just don't have enough quite yet to get both the HE500 and the proper amp, so the M/M stack will have to do for now.  By the way, I can't wait to see what you are doing Emotiva.

post #64 of 508
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

The HE500 are not worth it at $700 imho.  I got them NIB for $560.

Would they be worth it at $614?

post #65 of 508
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Originally Posted by Jd007 View Post

Just a heads up, the HE-500 is considerably harder to drive than the DT880 and the HE-400

I know this, but I want to know if I will be able to drive it adequately until I am able to buy the Magni.

post #66 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

Would they be worth it at $614?

Tough call.  Jerg claims that the HE400 with the jergpads sound like the HE500 stock.

post #67 of 508
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

Tough call.  Jerg claims that the HE400 with the jergpads sound like the HE500 stock.

Tonally, yes, the pad modding does bring HE400 closer to HE500, as in less piercing upper registers, more forward, and a bigger-sounding bass.

 

But the innate attributes (HE400's speed, spaciousness, vs HE500's lushness, transparency) still stay true with either headphone.

post #68 of 508
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Tonally, yes, the pad modding does bring HE400 closer to HE500, as in less piercing upper registers, more forward, and a bigger-sounding bass.

 

But the innate attributes (HE400's speed, spaciousness, vs HE500's lushness, transparency) still stay true with either headphone.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

post #69 of 508

HE-500 is very enjoyable with the Magni. Speaking from personal experience. Honestly in your situation it'll be the best sound you've ever heard and you'll be happy for a while. Once you get into more powerful amps you'll realize there is a just a little bit more to be had, and you might want that eventually; but that's much later, for now you won't miss what you've never known. So yeah get the HE-500 and the Magni/Modi combo and be happy.

 

*Now that being said, if you really want to find out what the HE-500 can do. Get the Emotiva and run it balanced like me. wink.gif 


Edited by M-13 - 7/21/13 at 11:43pm
post #70 of 508
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

HE-500 is very enjoyable with the Magni. Speaking from personal experience. Honestly in your situation it'll be the best sound you've ever heard and you'll be happy for a while. Once you get into more powerful amps you'll realize there is a just a little bit more to be had, and you might want that eventually; but that's much later, for now you won't miss what you've never known. So yeah get the HE-500 and the Magni/Modi combo and be happy.

*Now that being said, if you really want to find out what the HE-500 can do. Get the Emotiva and run it balanced like me. wink.gif
 
Balanced??? Am i missing something here M13?
post #71 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

Would they be worth it at $614?
IMO, very worth $614. Also hard to drive is a myth, hard to drive "well" is the truth. I got loud volume on he500 from my samsung tablet, doesn't sound great like from Emo but it's music smily_headphones1.gif and bearable.
post #72 of 508

I'll have it noted that the unique 3d layering soundstage effect of the HE-400 is largely a component of its sound signature.  The withdrawn upper midrange helps push a lot of things back in its soundstage, sort of like if you were in the rear seats of an orchestral performance.  It helps subdue some of the upfront and aggressive/energetic aspects that come with having a more balanced upper midrange.  It also allows the fundamentals of lower midrange instruments to become more upfront and extremely layered sounding when they harmonize.  If you eq the upper midrange of the HE-400 to be more in line with the rest of its sound, it becomes more aggressive and in your face to me.

post #73 of 508
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I'll have it noted that the unique 3d layering soundstage effect of the HE-400 is largely a component of its sound signature.  The withdrawn upper midrange helps push a lot of things back in its soundstage, sort of like if you were in the rear seats of an orchestral performance.  It helps subdue some of the upfront and aggressive/energetic aspects that come with having a more balanced upper midrange.  It also allows the fundamentals of lower midrange instruments to become more upfront and extremely layered sounding when they harmonize.  If you eq the upper midrange of the HE-400 to be more in line with the rest of its sound, it becomes more aggressive and in your face to me.


Yeah, I really like the depth on these headphones so far, I love panel speakers in general for that reason and it's nice to have that translate into the HE-400.

post #74 of 508
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

Balanced??? Am i missing something here M13?
The 1/4" cable that the 500s come with is SE connection which ties the commons to one connection. Balanced separates the commons so that they can be ran on a speaker amp output. If the amp has a common that's connected, you can wire a 1/4" jack to the output of the amp. Otherwise, you have to separate the commons so that you don't damage an amp with separate commons for each channel.

To pick a side, I'd recommend getting as much headphone as you can budget. That's the music making device so as much as you can afford will serve you well as you upgrade your gear. The 500s are a better headphone and has more scale capability than the 400s. If you want to stay with inexpensive gear, the 400s are more a value. If you move into mid fi gear and up, the 500s will present your investment more faithfully. Hi end is 6 range.....
Edited by Happy Camper - 7/22/13 at 7:29am
post #75 of 508
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post


The 1/4" cable that the 500s come with is SE connection which ties the commons to one connection. Balanced separates the commons so that they can be ran on a speaker amp output. If the amp has a common that's connected, you can wire a 1/4" jack to the output of the amp. Otherwise, you have to separate the commons so that you don't damage an amp with separate commons for each channel.

To pick a side, I'd recommend getting as much headphone as you can budget. That's the music making device so as much as you can afford will serve you well as you upgrade your gear. The 500s are a better headphone and has more scale capability than the 400s. If you want to stay with inexpensive gear, the 400s are more a value. If you move into mid fi gear and up, the 500s will present your investment more faithfully. Hi end is 6 range.....


Happy Camper, I know what a balanced connection is.  What I meant to ask M-13 was that the Emotiva has common ground so I was not sure what he meants by saying balanced HE500 from the Mini-X cuz it makes no difference using SE or balanced connection in this case.  I have the same setup.  As far as cable & adapter, I made a new balanced cable for my HE500 terminating in 4 pin XLR, an adapter going from 4 pin XLR to 1/4, a female 1/4 TRS to bananas and a 4 pin XLR to bananas.  I can pretty much connect the HE500 to any amps, balanced and non-balanced.

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