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post #391 of 508

If I were you I'd send a mail to the company, there's no way of knowing for sure as it's indeed not listed.  And it's battery powered so that makes me doubt if it'll be able to deliver.  

 

The HE-500 needs amplification but any reasonably powered desktop amp should be able to do it.  Nothing against speaker amps but hooking them up to all kinds of headphones looks like the flavor of the month to me, with the exception of (maybe) the HE-6 I see more potential disadvantages than advantages vs headphone amps.  I own the HE-6 and have a HE-500 on loan (and like it so much that it'll become my next purchase).  What I can tell you conclusively is that, while the 500 needs some juice to perform, it's MUCH, MUCH easier to drive than the 6 and when I hook up the 500 to my EpiphanyAcoustics o2-dac/amp they sound great without hitting extra gain (I listen to classical so typical recording volume is low but dynamic range is huge).  As comparison point I have my Violectric V200 which outputs 2.7 W at 50 Ohm (and which I also use to drive the HE-6, something that my O2 definitely can't pull off).  But no experience with the stepdance so really can't tell.

post #392 of 508
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There are so many things that I still need....

  • Emotiva $169
  • Jergpads $60?
  • Schiit Modi $80
  • Grill rings $20-25 I think

Probably in this order

post #393 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

There are so many things that I still need....

  • Emotiva $169
  • Jergpads $60?
  • Schiit Modi $80
  • Grill rings $20-25 I think

Probably in this order

You do not *need* any of those things, you *desire* them, which is something totally different.  Don't let yourself get cranked up, something that can very easily happen when perusing this site.  Just get one decent but not too expensive  dac/amp and a pair of cans.  Then enjoy the music and evaluate.  Don't join the gear ratrace, there's no finish line  (or rather, your finances will likely run out before the craving has been satisfied)

post #394 of 508
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

You do not *need* any of those things, you *desire* them, which is something totally different.  Don't let yourself get cranked up, something that can very easily happen when perusing this site.  Just get one decent but not too expensive  dac/amp and a pair of cans.  Then enjoy the music and evaluate.  Don't join the gear ratrace, there's no finish line  (or rather, your finances will likely run out before the craving has been satisfied)


True.... but that's also part of the reason why I'm aiming for price/performance items that are on the cheap side. The modi and emotiva both have outstanding performance at a very low price. The jergpads are just something I really want to try out.. and I think that it is the perfect "in between" for the pads in terms of my preferences. Also, the grill rings are something that I kind of do need as I snapped one tab on both rings :/ I understand your point though. As a college student with no real income yet, I am already way ahead of myself in this hobby, which is why I'm trying my best to settle on these items and forget about any other options out there. Thanks for the tip!

post #395 of 508
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

You do not *need* any of those things, you *desire* them, which is something totally different.  Don't let yourself get cranked up, something that can very easily happen when perusing this site.  Just get one decent but not too expensive  dac/amp and a pair of cans.  Then enjoy the music and evaluate.  Don't join the gear ratrace, there's no finish line  (or rather, your finances will likely run out before the craving has been satisfied)

No, he's not racing yet.  He knows what he needs/wants and for a lot less $ than what he would pay for a headphone amp that could barely drive the HE500.  Based on your recommendation, I would say that he should just plug his HE500 directly into his ipod and enjoy the music.  I surely don't have a problem with that.  Many people seems to think that's unacceptable. 

post #396 of 508
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No, he's not racing yet.  He knows what he needs/wants and for a lot less $ than what he would pay for a headphone amp that could barely drive the HE500.  Based on your recommendation, I would say that he should just plug his HE500 directly into his ipod and enjoy the music.  I surely don't have a problem with that.  Many people seems to think that's unacceptable. 


I seriously see these as still amazing even through an IPod. It's just that when amped right it sounds much better :3

post #397 of 508
In my position I think I should first buy an goo amp. Cause I've HE400 and I'm happy with iBasso DX50 + 2Stepdanca combo. If I buy HE500 I should sell my HE400 as a result of this I would not drive well HE500 I lose my current SQ.

I wish to buy Emotiva X mini A 100 but they just ship to US, and also no seller on ebay.
post #398 of 508
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

No, he's not racing yet.  He knows what he needs/wants and for a lot less $ than what he would pay for a headphone amp that could barely drive the HE500.  Based on your recommendation, I would say that he should just plug his HE500 directly into his ipod and enjoy the music.  I surely don't have a problem with that.  Many people seems to think that's unacceptable. 

 

Do tell, where did I state that?  And as to affordable gear:  how much did you pay for that FiiO E17/E09K combo in your sig?  I also had these on my office desk until I tried the epiphany flavour of the O2, much better results, even lower price and it drives the '500 well.  If you happen to have a speaker amp standing idle then that's one thing but getting one specifically to drive these headphones and motivating that decision using the 'need power' argument is just ridiculous.

post #399 of 508
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Do tell, where did I state that?  And as to affordable gear:  how much did you pay for that FiiO E17/E09K combo in your sig?  I also had these on my office desk until I tried the epiphany flavour of the O2, much better results, even lower price and it drives the '500 well.  If you happen to have a speaker amp standing idle then that's one thing but getting one specifically to drive these headphones and motivating that decision using the 'need power' argument is just ridiculous.


I bought my E17/E9K for a total $260 shipped to my door from Amazon.  If you asked me to choose between E17/E9K vs. modi/Emotiva, it's a no brainer decision.   For the same cost as E17/E9K,  Modi/Emotiva wins by a big margin in SQ plus giving you a bonus option to hook up speakers if you have some already while driving the heck out of the HE500.  What I said was a logical deduction from your previous statements, not a direct quote or rephrasing of what you said.  If Nimzerz has something else to drive his HE500 decently already, that's a different story.  In this case, He doesn't and is looking into something economical to fulfill that void.  Let's not even talk about "need" here, alright?  Cuz nobody needs a $700 HPs to start out with so don't contradict yourself.

post #400 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

There are so many things that I still need....
  • Emotiva $169
  • Jergpads $60?
  • Schiit Modi $80
  • Grill rings $20-25 I think
Probably in this order
Nice. I'm still trying to decide if I should go this same route or get an Alpha Dog. Open sound vs comfort, argh!
post #401 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

There are so many things that I still need....

  • Emotiva $169
  • Jergpads $60?
  • Schiit Modi $80
  • Grill rings $20-25 I think

Probably in this order

 

Need or want? :tongue_smile:

 

I would go for the amp and dac first to get the proper control of the sound then the jerg/modular pads to tweek the sound. 

post #402 of 508
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Need or want? tongue_smile.gif

I would go for the amp and dac first to get the proper control of the sound then the jerg/modular pads to tweek the sound. 
Yeah the jergpads and the modi might switch in the future depending on how much of a change in sq I hear. The modi is my cousins so I can get a quick listen.
post #403 of 508
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

Do tell, where did I state that?  And as to affordable gear:  how much did you pay for that FiiO E17/E09K combo in your sig?  I also had these on my office desk until I tried the epiphany flavour of the O2, much better results, even lower price and it drives the '500 well.  If you happen to have a speaker amp standing idle then that's one thing but getting one specifically to drive these headphones and motivating that decision using the 'need power' argument is just ridiculous.
To be honest I'm just going to ignore your comments. You clearly understand my point by "need" and are creating a useless argument in my thread. I did not state for what reason I "need" these things for. Did I state that I "need" them in my life? No. But I do "need" them to get more potential out of my headphones that I clearly spent a good deal of money on to enjoy some good sq. So before you begin talking about the technical definition, remember to consider where that word is being applied.

I understand your overall point of not "needing" this, but it's simply not applicable to the way that I am approaching the subject. As long as your argument is reasonable and not pointless, sure go ahead and post; but if it's Just to argue and defend your point that may be technically right but not in any other way? Don't bother.
Edited by Nimzerz - 10/25/13 at 1:01pm
post #404 of 508
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


I bought my E17/E9K for a total $260 shipped to my door from Amazon.  If you asked me to choose between E17/E9K vs. modi/Emotiva, it's a no brainer decision.   For the same cost as E17/E9K,  Modi/Emotiva wins by a big margin in SQ plus giving you a bonus option to hook up speakers if you have some already while driving the heck out of the HE500.  What I said was a logical deduction from your previous statements, not a direct quote or rephrasing of what you said.  If Nimzerz has something else to drive his HE500 decently already, that's a different story.  In this case, He doesn't and is looking into something economical to fulfill that void.  Let's not even talk about "need" here, alright?  Cuz nobody needs a $700 HPs to start out with so don't contradict yourself.

 

Better enrol in logic 101 and learn what a valid logical deduction consists of is what I say to that.  As to the rest of the argument it's largely a glass half full/glass half empty case.  

post #405 of 508
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

There are so many things that I still need....

  • Emotiva $169
  • Jergpads $60?
  • Schiit Modi $80
  • Grill rings $20-25 I think

Probably in this order

Don't forget the cable. Unless you're DIYing

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