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post #346 of 508
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

Think it will work but poorly I have bifrost über and lyr great combo for 500s


poorly is an overstated observation IMO.  I have the E17/E9k combo driving the HE500 and my Q701.  For the budget, it's great.  Very acceptable performance!!!

It won't compare to Lyr, Emotiva or stronger better amps but poorly?  I don't think so.

post #347 of 508
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

Quick question as I see some of the posters in this thread have them in their sig:  does anyone have experience running the HE-500 from a FiiO E17/E09K dac/amp combo? Or from an O2D?

 

I use them to drive my DT-880 in 600 Ohm and it works fine but that's not a planar can of course.   Based on the specs it should work, power enough, but I wonder if the sound is good or if it's like putting a small car engine in a Ferrari.  I listen exclusively to classical and the large dynamic range of that genre makes me wonder if these amps could swing it.

 

Anyway, a new dac/amp is in the works (thinking about the Violectric V181 or V200) but still undecided if I'll go for the HE-500 or straight for the picky, power hungry emperor that's the HE-6 (and I'm aware that for the last one my present el cheap amps won't do the trick).

 

Thanks!


With HE-6, you will need quite a bit to drive it in comparison to the HE500.  Some options are vintage amps, Emotiva (more budget and will be more than adequate), EF6, liquid gold (expensive), ...

Honestly, you are not really missing much going with HE500 vs HE-6 but if $ is not a concern here, go for it if you can tell/hear the difference.  You are paying close to 2x the price for very little improvement.  Don't buy it just because you want the best.

post #348 of 508
Maybe poor choice of words they will not drive it too its full potential
post #349 of 508
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

Maybe poor choice of words they will not drive it too its full potential

+100.  wink.gif

post #350 of 508

Thanks everyone!

 

I'm actually on the fence for my new cans, the only real way to decide will be to audition them, which is something I can't do in my present location (india) but in one month I return to Europe for a week and I've set up an auditioning session in the one store I could find that stocks all my candidates (HD-800, T-1, HE-500 and HE-6).  Not looking forward to that 360 km drive one way but if that's what it takes....

 

All the online stores in Germany specifically warn that the HE-500 has a different signature from the HE-6, they claim it sacrifices some of the dynamism in the higher frequencies as well as the openness and in return one gets a warmer sound.  So they say.  But over here people claim only marginal differences vs a huge price differential.  The one person i know personally who owns the 6 and has auditioned the 500 (also a classical music buff like me)  told me that, while he was very happy with the 6, in his opinion the differences were too marginal to justify the extra cost.  Guess the stores need to sell and margins on the 6 will be better, especially because then they get to sell an amp too.

 

Instinctively I think it'll come down to a choice between the Senn and the HE-500.  I'm happy with my DT-880 but would like some more air around the instruments and separation, doubt the T1 will be able to give me that, however good it is in general.  Fortunately I listen only to classical with very little vocals so at least there I can focus.

 

The amp will be one of the Violectrics.

post #351 of 508
Xenophon, the person you know with the he6 told you the truth. With competent amps, the he500 and he6 sound signatures are not too different, IMO.
post #352 of 508

HE6 both measures and sounds a heck of a lot brighter than HE500. Substantially so. The two sound signatures are very different as a consequence of that.

post #353 of 508

Preproman will come in saying you need a 1000 watt monoblock for the HE-6 if you think it sounds too bright.

post #354 of 508
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Preproman will come in saying you need a 1000 watt monoblock for the HE-6 if you think it sounds too bright.

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The 1000W monoblocks must have some pretty significant roll-off at the treble then, to attenuate HE6's treble.


Edited by jerg - 8/29/13 at 8:29am
post #355 of 508

But thin and bright signature is a tell-tell sign of underpowering something.  1000watt monoblock for each channel will certainly give the HE-6 the power it deserves and tame those drivers into not throwing out ugly treble.

post #356 of 508
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

But thin and bright signature is a tell-tell sign of underpowering something.  1000watt monoblock for each channel will certainly give the HE-6 the power it deserves and tame those drivers into not throwing out ugly treble.

Thin? No.

 

HE6 is close to neutral but with a treble that tilts toward bright, on a neutral feed. Sure lots of good power grants it better bass control, but you still need a definitive treble attenuation to make its treble not shiny.

 

Then again if you like shiny treble then that is counter-intuitive.

post #357 of 508

But... you don't understand... monoblocks.

post #358 of 508
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

HE6 both measures and sounds a heck of a lot brighter than HE500. Substantially so. The two sound signatures are very different as a consequence of that.


This was not my experience comparing my HE500 to the HE6 at the CA meet.  Different, yes.  Overall sound is still a hifiman signature sound.  The treble on the HE6 is purer and the mid is a touch less fat.  The low end is slightly tighter, maybe because of leaner mid and purer high.

post #359 of 508
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


This was not my experience comparing my HE500 to the HE6 at the CA meet.  Different, yes.  Overall sound is still a hifiman signature sound.  The treble on the HE6 is purer and the mid is a touch less fat.  The low end is slightly tighter, maybe because of leaner mid and purer high.

IMO you are just wording it differently. If A is brighter than B, then B is darker than A. HE6 has a less bloomy midrange and a more elevated treble (especially upper treble) relative to HE500, and vise versa. Of course a lean midrange will also emphasize treble some more too, which adds to the effect. 

 

By the way, I'm just curious, at the meet what earpads were used on the HE6, and on the HE500?

post #360 of 508
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

IMO you are just wording it differently. If A is brighter than B, then B is darker than A. HE6 has a less bloomy midrange and a more elevated treble (especially upper treble) relative to HE500, and vise versa. Of course a lean midrange will also emphasize treble some more too, which adds to the effect. 

 

By the way, I'm just curious, at the meet what earpads were used on the HE6, and on the HE500?


both stock velour, the HE500 was mine.  The HE6 was a vendor's.

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