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Lol.

 

Nothing matters until you've HEARD the dang headphones. Then you can make a judgement whether to hate it (then just refund immediately), love it (then keep it), or be indifferent (keep it momentarily and see if your opinion shifts).

 

If a few second-party opinions is reliable enough all the time, then the FS/T sub-forum is obsolete.


Haha! I didn't realize he didn't have them yet!

post #242 of 479
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Depends on your amp. That's been my observation - HE500's bass is sentimental, very weak and slightly bloated when underpowered, and very solid and impactful when given enough juice (in my case ~2.5 watts with NFB11.32).

 

As for impact vs DT880, assuming you got a powerful enough amp setup, it's safe to say HE500 should be more impactful.

 

If you are stuck with a slightly less powerful amp though, you should go with HE400, unless a powerful amp purchase is on its way.

Jerg, so you like the HE-500 paired with the NFB11.32? How neutral is that amp/DAC? Do the amp and DAC both perform, or do you supplement one or the other with a better component? 

post #243 of 479
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Jerg, so you like the HE-500 paired with the NFB11.32? How neutral is that amp/DAC? Do the amp and DAC both perform, or do you supplement one or the other with a better component? 

 

 

I'm digging this combo a lot. The 11.32 has a very neutral DAC and a considerably powerful amp section, which means HE500's bass becomes phenomenal in extension and tightness, and the general transparency / separation gets to a new height for me. This supplemented with Jergpads and some very specific parametric equalization, gets my HE500s to a stage where everything is in the right place.

 

The system now sounds "right" enough that I have no urge to seek better equipment, for the time being.

post #244 of 479

I don't know if this sounds weird, but my HE500 sounds really good today.  I don't know if it's burn in or what, but the vocals seems a little bit more smooth and alive.  Everything sounds more cohesive and less grainy. It could be because I was really tired the other days as I've been working a lot and other stuff or just brain burn in.  I think I had the same thing happen to me with the HE400.  I'm starting to believe hifiman needs at least 10 hrs. of burn in.  The HE400 took me like 3 days to appreciate them and the HE500 took me 1 week. 

 

who knows....I'm liking it though

post #245 of 479
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Originally Posted by soundeffect View Post

I don't know if this sounds weird, but my HE500 sounds really good today.  I don't know if it's burn in or what, but the vocals seems a little bit more smooth and alive.  Everything sounds more cohesive and less grainy. It could be because I was really tired the other days as I've been working a lot and other stuff or just brain burn in.  I think I had the same thing happen to me with the HE400.  I'm starting to believe hifiman needs at least 10 hrs. of burn in.  The HE400 took me like 3 days to appreciate them and the HE500 took me 1 week. 

who knows....I'm liking it though

Since HiFiMan recommends 150 hours I'd say you might be on to something there....
post #246 of 479

I don't know about 150 hrs. though.  I haven't seen my HE400 changed since the first few days. It's weird though, I'm usually one of those that don't really experience burn in with headphones and with both the HE400 and HE500 I experience something.  

post #247 of 479

Would it be worth it for me to buy an HE-400 to compliment my DT880?? BTW mine is recabled for dual entry and custom 23 AWG SPCOFC cables terminated with a Furutech FP-704. I noticed the bass impact on my headphones is pretty tight and accurate but doesn't smother the mids and treble. Would it be worth it for me to get the HE-400 or would I find myself disappointed in the bass improvements? I guess no one has heard my pair of DT880s but they are definitely not bass lacking, just don't have the natural subwoofer feel I'm looking for from LCD-2s or my old HD280s I modified with blue tack

post #248 of 479
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Originally Posted by soundeffect View Post

I don't know if this sounds weird, but my HE500 sounds really good today.  I don't know if it's burn in or what, but the vocals seems a little bit more smooth and alive.  Everything sounds more cohesive and less grainy. It could be because I was really tired the other days as I've been working a lot and other stuff or just brain burn in.  I think I had the same thing happen to me with the HE400.  I'm starting to believe hifiman needs at least 10 hrs. of burn in.  The HE400 took me like 3 days to appreciate them and the HE500 took me 1 week. 

 

who knows....I'm liking it though

 

 

Whenever I listen to headphone tired they are more aggressive and strident due to my fatigued mind. In the morning or after a nice breakfast everything sounded better.

 

I only felt the headphone improve when I was growing used to the sound from the brighter DT880. Who knows though, I never seem to notice the effects of burn in.

post #249 of 479
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

 

 

I'm digging this combo a lot. The 11.32 has a very neutral DAC and a considerably powerful amp section, which means HE500's bass becomes phenomenal in extension and tightness, and the general transparency / separation gets to a new height for me. This supplemented with Jergpads and some very specific parametric equalization, gets my HE500s to a stage where everything is in the right place.

 

The system now sounds "right" enough that I have no urge to seek better equipment, for the time being.

Cool, thanks!

post #250 of 479
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why is the silver coated copper wire that comes with the he500 considered very bad by many people?
Edited by Nimzerz - 8/10/13 at 12:16am
post #251 of 479
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why is the silver coated copper wire that comes with the he500 considered very bad many people?

I found it fragile (biggest fault) and microphonic

post #252 of 479
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I found it fragile (biggest fault) and microphonic
Well it's not like we take these headphones portable and run the wire through rough environments so I don't really see why it would be such a huge problem for so many people. Same thing with microphonic. You generally don't walk around with these, so why would it really matter so much?
Edited by Nimzerz - 8/10/13 at 12:17am
post #253 of 479
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Well it's not like we take these headphones portable and run the wire through rough environments so I don't really see why it would be such a huge problem for so many people. Same thing with microphonic. You generally don't walk around with these, so why would it really matter so much?

 

It was a big problem for me. Every time I turned my head it would make terrible, annoying noises in my ears. IMO, an aftermarket cable is 100% worth the cost.

post #254 of 479
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


Well it's not like we take these headphones portable and run the wire through rough environments so I don't really see why it would be such a huge problem for so many people. Same thing with microphonic. You generally don't walk around with these, so why would it really matter so much?

Fragile = the only cable ever broken to me. It could be that I got a faultly cable

And microphonics is no issue if I take care not to move my head

Sonic wise, it is ok I think (I have never found that aftermarket cables really improve the sound)

Check it well before you spend on an aftermarket cable


Edited by i019791 - 8/10/13 at 12:39am
post #255 of 479
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Originally Posted by Stalker81598 View Post

It was a big problem for me. Every time I turned my head it would make terrible, annoying noises in my ears. IMO, an aftermarket cable is 100% worth the cost.
I, personally, don't see the need for an aftermarket cable. Especially at the cost of $100+
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