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post #91 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:21pm
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post #92 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:24pm
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Originally posted by rodbac
The reason, though, that things like this are dismissed without even trying them is not that anyone is close-minded- it's that there is absolutely no reason to think it even might work. His claims are based 100% in pseudoscience and it's obvious they're bunk with even a rudimentary education in critical thought.
The prosecution used this argument with great success in "The Church vs. Galileo". They won, too. That didn't make it right.

There are reasons not to try something. It could be dangerous, or expensive, or even very time consuming. However, for something like this, none of the above applies. In fact, PinkFloyd has now provided some rather convincing evidence that something is happening sonically, whether it is good or bad. Like it or not, the foil made a difference. To claim further that there is no effect is indeed close-mindedness.

There is no substitute for experiencing this for yourself. The cost is trivial. Time to s**t or get off the pot.
post #93 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:29pm
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Originally posted by Hirsch
The prosecution used this argument with great success in "The Church vs. Galileo". They won, too. That didn't make it right.

There are reasons not to try something. It could be dangerous, or expensive, or even very time consuming. However, for something like this, none of the above applies. In fact, PinkFloyd has now provided some rather convincing evidence that something is happening sonically, whether it is good or bad. Like it or not, the foil made a difference. To claim further that there is no effect is indeed close-mindedness.

There is no substitute for experiencing this for yourself. The cost is trivial. Time to s**t or get off the pot.
This is classic head-fi ;-) power to the rainbow :-)
post #94 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:29pm
hahahah!

he did ask for it!

i've got some of this stuff on the way pinkie, and thanks for the review and for having the balls to post something like this.


personally, i think there is somethign to be said for him being able to pick out the rainbow disc almost every single time. it seems like every time the disc was changed he knew it, and he had a clear preference for one over the other.

i've always been a skeptic, and think that it is first necessary to decide if there even IS a difference between components, let alone make a confident decision whether one is better. I think that Pinkie's test has shown some evidence for both questions, and I for one, am quite surprised and impressed!
post #95 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:34pm
I've gotta get my hands on some of this $1 stuff...at $1, who wouldn't try it out?

Anyone find it yet?

I don't want to ask for a free sample of a product I have no intention of buying...
post #96 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:40pm
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Peter Belt........... Genius or nutter? the jury is out.
post #97 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:44pm
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Originally posted by ooheadsoo
I've gotta get my hands on some of this $1 stuff...at $1, who wouldn't try it out?
Well according to Pinky's test the Foil made the cd "more veiled", so evidently the foil may cause more harm than good. What's even more amazing is that the results were consistant and did not waiver.
post #98 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:51pm
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read what I Said I thought it sounded a bit veiled but also more musical if that makes sense?
post #99 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:52pm
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Originally posted by Hirsch
The prosecution used this argument with great success in "The Church vs. Galileo". They won, too. That didn't make it right.
LOL, good point Hirsch!
post #100 of 466
4/15/04 at 7:55pm
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There are reasons not to try something. It could be dangerous, or expensive, or even very time consuming. However, for something like this, none of the above applies. In fact, PinkFloyd has now provided some rather convincing evidence that something is happening sonically, whether it is good or bad. Like it or not, the foil made a difference. To claim further that there is no effect is indeed close-mindedness.
Hirsch, I've been very, very patient through all this, but now are you honestly comparing this hooey to claims of the earth revolving around the sun or something??

In 2004, we know just a little something about how digital media works. For you to try and tell me that SOMETHING THE LASER CAN'T EVEN SEE makes some difference in how the little 1s and 0s are put together for sound is so insulting as to be criminal. Or are you trying to claim that I have no knowledge of what I speak and you're Galileo (with a vastly greater understanding of digital music reproduction)?

Regarding PinkFloyd's "test", and with all due respect to PinkF., if any of you believe for a second that the tape makes the sound more "veiled", you're certifiably crazy.

PinkFloyd, I appreciate what you tried to do, but your test was flawed (I said I didn't want to bring it up, but now I'm going to). To start with, you can't just have two discs- you'll need at minimum 5 or 6 of each to eliminate anomalies (it's very easy for 1 disc to be different from another, but highly improbable for 6 to be discernably different from another 6 and for those 6 to end up with the tape on them). Actually, if you want to be serious about it, PM me and I'll give you the minimum criteria for a valid test
post #101 of 466
4/15/04 at 8:04pm
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post #102 of 466
4/15/04 at 8:10pm
out of interest pinkie, would you be willing to switch the foil and try it again?

if you did that, it would eliminate my last few doubts about this product.


also, i didn't understand the end of your post about the test. blind, you preferred the non foil disc and then later in your EDIT:, you said that you somehow preferred the foiled one????
post #103 of 466
4/15/04 at 8:15pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by rodbac
Hirsch, I've been very, very patient through all this, but now are you honestly comparing this hooey to claims of the earth revolving around the sun or something??

In 2004, we know just a little something about how digital media works. For you to try and tell me that SOMETHING THE LASER CAN'T EVEN SEE makes some difference in how the little 1s and 0s are put together for sound is so insulting as to be criminal. Or are you trying to claim that I have no knowledge of what I speak and you're Galileo (with a vastly greater understanding of digital music reproduction)?

Regarding PinkFloyd's "test", and with all due respect to PinkF., if any of you believe for a second that the tape makes the sound more "veiled", you're certifiably crazy.

PinkFloyd, I appreciate what you tried to do, but your test was flawed (I said I didn't want to bring it up, but now I'm going to). To start with, you can't just have two discs- you'll need at minimum 5 or 6 of each to eliminate anomalies (it's very easy for 1 disc to be different from another, but highly improbable for 6 to be discernably different from another 6 and for those 6 to end up with the tape on them). Actually, if you want to be serious about it, PM me and I'll give you the minimum criteria for a valid test

post #104 of 466
4/15/04 at 8:15pm
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Originally posted by PinkFloyd
read what I Said????
Yes, twice, am I missing something?
post #105 of 466
4/15/04 at 8:21pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by highflyin9
Yes, twice, am I missing something?


Just the point. no big deal :-)


Pinkie.

PM me if you need the answer........
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