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post #31 of 466
FCUK THEM!
post #32 of 466
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Originally posted by Welly Wu
FCUK THEM!
Well I can understand it doesn't make much sense to anyone, but the title audiophiles are stupid is a little ignorant. Although the posts in it are pretty funny...
post #33 of 466
LOL, Mike.

Isn't it a little late for April Fools?

-Ed
post #34 of 466
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Originally posted by PinkFloyd
this stuff works, try a free sample you've got nothing to lose.

Pinkie.
I'll bet that several naysayers will not even order a free sample, yet will continue in their naysaying nonetheless.

Personally, I'm gonna email for a free sample soon and try this for myself. I got nothing to lose, so I might as well try it.

Thanks for having the guts to post this and tell us what you think Pinkie. Always good to read your insights into stuff, and I'll add this to my list of things I appreciate that you do here.
post #35 of 466
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this stuff works, try a free sample you've got nothing to lose.
actually, yes, you do have something to lose: your sanity.
post #36 of 466
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Orpheus
actually, yes, you do have something to lose: your sanity.
I'm not yet rating this stuff and haven't tried any other discs yet and did originally say:

"I'm going to have to be absolutely certain that the Rainbow foil is producing this improvement and not my imagination so it will be a few days before I fully review it."

The treated Shpongle disc still sounds slightly better than the untreated version and if it "is" due to a placebo effect then, fantastic, I'm not complaining I'm not endorsing Rainbow foil or suggesting it's a miracle but "I" hear a difference and if it's my imagination at work then........ good again :-) can only be good news, even if it is placebo at work.

I coat the edges of all my CD's with a green felt tip pen and I swear they sound better for it.... the green pen tweak may be pure snake oil but I believe my CD's sound better with it :-)

If you "think" something is going to make the sound better it invariably will sound better...... nothing wrong with the power of the imagination in my book even if it takes a bit of foil to get your imagination working

Another little thing entirely off the sound quality bit....... since the arrival of the Rainbow foil I have decided to quit drinking...... coincidence or positive energy?

Pinkie.
post #37 of 466
Hirsch was right earlier (that placebo and psychosomatic effects are related).

However, if you think your music improves with the addition of a sticker to the label, it's neither "placebo effect" nor psychosomatic. There is no change in the music/sound, so there is no measurable 'effect' to give a name to (actually, there probably is, but it will mean "purely in your head").

If you want to contend that you can indeed hear a difference (and that's all that matters), then submit yourself to a proper AAB study of it. If you can perceive the difference as you contend, that test will confirm it and you can tell the naysayers to go to hell.
post #38 of 466
Thread Starter 
I can't wait to hear what the other head-fier's who ordered samples find it :-)
post #39 of 466
Very funny thread
post #40 of 466
Oh geez. No one meant the sound changed. It was meant that their perception of said sound changed.
post #41 of 466
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Posted by 1Stunna of arstechnica
that thread really has everything needed to prove this thread's title (Audiophiles are stupid) (except speaker rocks and green markers).
edit: Oh, holy ****. think it will bring my dead dog back to life?: http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/...m/quantum.html
Makes you wonder when 1Stunna did more than the rest of us and actually read one of the articles.
post #42 of 466
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Another little thing entirely off the sound quality bit....... since the arrival of the Rainbow foil I have decided to quit drinking...... coincidence or positive energy?
....that is interesting. i think you have found the next Aspirin. heh he.
post #43 of 466
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Oh geez. No one meant the sound changed. It was meant that their perception of said sound changed.
Ok, ok- their perception. Fine.

So one of them should submit to the study and let us see if they perceive a difference reliably.

As it is, it sounds like they're saying that since they think it sounds better, it does.

Also, don't turn this into a subjective argument- either the music is altered or it isn't. There is nothing subjective about this.

Note, too, that I'll retract any claims I've made against this for now if you'd like. To be fair, I'll remain neutral on this until we get the results of the study back.
post #44 of 466
I think Peter Belt is better at starting fights than he is at making tweaks.
post #45 of 466
Don't you think most audio tweaks are subjective rather than objective? Any cable skeptic can tell you that there's no definite proof and just about every A/B/X test in a properly set up system has shown that no one can tell when blind or double blind. Yet when the subjects aren't blind, you must admit that the use of the more expensive cables increases their enjoyment of their system. That has its own sense of validity.

Hearing is the most difficult sense to quantify and control. Most people don't even have the vocabulary to describe it in a universally understood manner. Despite your scientific urges, hearing is very much a subjective matter. In fact, most things are very subjective. One sign often pointed out that is a sure sign of collusion is when all eyewitnesses of a crime give the same account of the events that transpired, even immediately after the crime has been committed and still at the crime scene. You may hear everything at once, see everything at once, but it doesn't mean you process it all in the same way as everyone else. This is a sad fact of life with our senses. That's how these people get away with charging all this money. Is it because the customers are blinded by their own ignorance or are gullible? Well, maybe gullible, but there's no doubt in my mind that they are hearing an improvement when they say they are.
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