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post #106 of 466
hey pinkie, i had a real question for you up there, not an attack
post #107 of 466
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Originally posted by rodbac
For you to try and tell me that SOMETHING THE LASER CAN'T EVEN SEE makes some difference in how the little 1s and 0s are put together for sound is so insulting as to be criminal.
I can't resist...
Wow...still going on and on about how the tape is supposed to change the sound. No one thinks it changes the sound. You're the only one running around thinking that we think it changes the sound. What happened to that discussion we had about it being the perception? You seem to think our senses are absolute and perfect devices and function at 100% capacity all the time, every day. I really don't get it. Didn't we agree to this already? IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SOUND.
post #108 of 466
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PinkFloyd, I appreciate what you tried to do, but your test was flawed (I said I didn't want to bring it up, but now I'm going to). To start with, you can't just have two discs- you'll need at minimum 5 or 6 of each to eliminate anomalies (it's very easy for 1 disc to be different from another, but highly improbable for 6 to be discernably different from another 6 and for those 6 to end up with the tape on them). Actually, if you want to be serious about it, PM me and I'll give you the minimum criteria for a valid test
dude.... i've been trying to tell you all the same thing forever.... yes, his test is flawed, but way beyond what you said. his test is flawed because of what the manufacturer claims!--check out what the manufacturer's claiming! the guy says this stuff goes ANYWHERE. not just on the disc. these means this stuff anywhere on the premises has an effect. this also means that a treated CD that's on the premises should also affect the sound of untreated CDs cause just having the crap anywhere in his frickin house is gonna do something!

do you understand how futile it is to conduct any test on this material? the manufacturer already states clearly that this stuff does not cause a measurable effect, at least not by today's understanding. he also credits most the perceivable effect to psychology. furthermore, this material basically affects anything, everywhere.

this material seems to be made out of whatever God uses as paper. it is the end all of audio tweaks, the way the manufacturer has presented it.

thus, any test you try to perform objectively, only returns your efforts with rubbish. worthless data.

again, you can offer a million reasons why the Bible don't make sense, but no Christian will listen to you. and it's the same for this material. it don't make no sense at all. there's no point in conducting scientific-type tests, as the manufacturer's statements already exempted his product from criticism.

again, i stress, the manufacturer's statements already exempted his product from criticism. end of story.

(and personally, i find such types of products to be highly questionable, when the manufacturer makes claims that are not supportable by any scientific means.)
post #109 of 466
LOL, I don't know Orpheus, look at it this way, if his claims are correct and no distance for the effect is given or implied doesn't that mean we already have better sounding CDs without having to buy anything? We should be rolling out the red carpet for this guy, he's improved all our music!
post #110 of 466
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Originally posted by rodbac
LIKELY???

There's a distinct difference between "psychosomatic" and the placebo effect. One has real, measurable results and the other does NOTHING (you merely convince yourself a difference exists).

Don't confuse the two.
But the placebo effect *does* do something (that's why the word "effect" is used).

You're assuming that there's a world external to and separate from your senses that exists whether you perceive it or not. Aside from consensus agreements, can you prove this assumption?
post #111 of 466
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Originally posted by gpalmer
LOL, I don't know Orpheus, look at it this way, if his claims are correct and no distance for the effect is given or implied doesn't that mean we already have better sounding CDs without having to buy anything? We should be rolling out the red carpet for this guy, he's improved all our music!
I think you're correct. Just efter I realised that this was the case my CD's suddenly sounded much more detailed and more dynamic. Wherever those fancy rainbow stickers are they sure work. My music has never sounded this good before!!!

More rainbow foil to the people!
post #112 of 466
Ok- I'll try to make this my last post, as I feel like you guys are just playing a prank now...

Ooheadsoo, if you'd have read, you'd have seen that Hirsch said "the foil did something", which is clearly not the case. The belief that the foil was there did something, but not the foil. Since that same argument could be made for Pinky's sock, it wasn't the foil.

Orpheus, you're completely correct. I just got the impression there were some here who actually believed this foil was worth something and couldn't stomach the ignorance for some reason.

And fewtch, don't freak me out like that.
post #113 of 466
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Originally posted by rodbac
And fewtch, don't freak me out like that.
I ponder stuff like that all the time. It can be... uhhm, "mind expanding" .

Really, questioning commonly held assumptions can make a major difference in one's life. The assumptions that seem most obvious may be the ones that are actually most in doubt.
post #114 of 466
so here's the deal since we have an understanding:

if this product works for you, by all means, use it! whatever it takes.

but if you object to the fundamental idea behind this product, well, you're screwed, just like me! i don't believe in God, or at least any popular version. i don't believe in this product. i don't believe in many things. so, ultimately, i am unhappy--about sound, about life, whatever.

so, if Pink finds this product useful, he should be very happy. it's cheap. it's easier than heck to use (all you have to do is give up some bills for it--the moment it arrives at your door your music has already gotten better! )

in the mean time, i'll sit here and find misery in my own system. and be proud that i can be so sad.

(dang... if only all audio components can be so deep! )
post #115 of 466
Don't change the argument on me! Stick to shoelaces, dagnabit!

Shoelaces, foil, if it works, it works! Isn't that what we've been saying all along? I felt good after eating a cow, I felt good after eating a horse. Both made me feel good, that doesn't mean cows are not as valid as horses, just because both were true. Not sure the point of your argument there. Hey, someone could make audio socks and market it. I would still say they worked for the person that bought it if they said that it worked for them. Doesn't mean I would buy it though
post #116 of 466
gpalmer,
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LOL, I don't know Orpheus, look at it this way, if his claims are correct and no distance for the effect is given or implied doesn't that mean we already have better sounding CDs without having to buy anything? We should be rolling out the red carpet for this guy, he's improved all our music!
i'm way ahead of you man:

http://www5.head-fi.org/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=4

i quote myself: "PS--i have a question... Belt says that it doesn't have to be applied to any one piece of your audio system. so, does that mean that by him merely manufacturing the product, all the sound systems of the world have instantly become audiophile quality?--after all, we don't actually have to see the product to feel it's effects. he does say that he believes it mostly a psychological effect. so, let's save him some shipping cost and tell him to leave it at his factory, k?"

post #117 of 466
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Originally posted by Orpheus
gpalmer,
i'm way ahead of you man:
D'Oh, sorry I read the start of the thread and then just skipped to the bottom!
post #118 of 466
oh no... this was posted in the thread about the "x-pen" another product of theirs. i was just saying, we think alike.
post #119 of 466
as much as i'm skeptical and this rainbow foil is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard about (even for here), there are two redeeming points that i think you should keep in mind lest you be 'closeminded'.

1) belt isn't some yogic hippy, he's a man with far more hifi experience than the rest of us that has taken a very difficult and brave position in questioning audio from a new perspective, 'sound', not 'gear' oriented. as far out and bizarre as this product is, his explanations behind it are very rational and he completely understands how crazy he must seem, but only asks for a chance (hence the free offer, how often do you see a free offer with the other snakeoil in this hobby?). he doens't claim to understand the mechanism behind rainbow foil, but suggest that there might be more at play here than we currently understand.

2) pinkie did seem to correctly identify between the two discs, although i await his response to my request that he switches the foil and tries again. i have yet to see any example of a successful blind test for cables or numerous other 'accepted' audio tweaks. in fact, most evidence is to the contrary although if you speak up against cables then people tend to imply you're deaf or stupid.


i still think that people have been too harsh on people speaking out against rainbow foil and the argument that 'if it works it works' is pretty damned weak and makes me want to start selling $1900 cables and giving people audiophile haircuts.
post #120 of 466
C'mon, give me a break here! It's a weak product! It demands a weak argument! Any other argument ends in a stalemate because it would be too scientific! You need to move the competition to your own turf and force him to accept your terms and conditions! It's all in the head. By the way, with a 2 cd test, you can guess the "right" cd correctly 100 times in a row and it still doesn't mean much statistically speaking...any way, it's all fun and games, and it's not like it's costing anyone anything.
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