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post #811 of 1596
Awesome will check this out when I get home.
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Just found incredible article covering all these settings, enjoy

Foobar 2000 for Dummies (Part 2) | DIY-Audio-Heaven


post #812 of 1596

Is it possible to keep the headphones connected all the time and toggle the sound between line-out and headphones via pressing the volume knob or some other way?

post #813 of 1596
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Originally Posted by Soundwave76 View Post

Is it possible to keep the headphones connected all the time and toggle the sound between line-out and headphones via pressing the volume knob or some other way?
Well yea..if you turn the volume knob all the way to 0db and continue rotating clockwise, it'll take you to that mode.






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post #814 of 1596
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

Does DA8 support native asio playback, that's new to me? But I betcha, it works. :eek:

So, should we continue using DoP for DSD64/128 or switch to Native?

 

I think that DA8 supports native DSD playback because I tried and it worked. To play DSD256 and DSD512 it must support native DSD through ASIO.

Whether using native DSD through ASIO or DoP with WASAPI is up to you. I cannot tell which one sounds better but I can tell you that DoP with WASAPI works better.

Yulong recommends using WASAPI and DoP for Windows 7 and 8. May be the ASIO driver is not mature enough to use native DSD.

Notice that foobar2000 config recommended by Yulong uses the ASIO driver in the proxy but the DSD method is DoP.

post #815 of 1596
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Originally Posted by Elder View Post

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

 
Does DA8 support native asio playback, that's new to me? But I betcha, it works. eek.gif
So, should we continue using DoP for DSD64/128 or switch to Native?

I think that DA8 supports native DSD playback because I tried and it worked. To play DSD256 and DSD512 it must support native DSD through ASIO.
Whether using native DSD through ASIO or DoP with WASAPI is up to you. I cannot tell which one sounds better but I can tell you that DoP with WASAPI works better.
Yulong recommends using WASAPI and DoP for Windows 7 and 8. May be the ASIO driver is not mature enough to use native DSD.
Notice that foobar2000 config recommended by Yulong uses the ASIO driver in the proxy but the DSD method is DoP.
interesting and very good point.
post #816 of 1596

I couldn't fix the issue with 1 second skipping at the beginning of a song, so I'm just living with it (as a natural progression from one song to the next does not incur this problem, only sometimes).

 

If one day I can fix the issue with WASAPI on Winamp/Foobar, I'll be 100% content, though I'm extremely content with my DA8 at the moment.

post #817 of 1596

I've been running my DA8 + HE500 non-stop for the past 72 hours (either listening to music or playing pink noise). 

 

I haven't run into any problem with DSD or SACD.  

I've tried Audirvana / JRiver / Fidelia / Amarra on OS X, and liked Audirvana most: it just works out-of-the-box, and plays whatever formats I throw at it, including SACD iso image files.  JRiver / Amarra interfaces are sluggish, so I didn't spend much time with them.

 

After my Audirvana trial expired, I switch to Windows using foobar2000.

I followed instructions on YuLongs website http://www.yulongaudio.com/en/shownews.asp?id=32

The only instruction I did not follow is that I did NOT install "Sabre DA8 driver". Instead, I install the "JRiver New asio".

I followed the rest of the instructions and SACD and DSD both work flawlessly in foobar2000.

I just need to drag SACD iso images into foobar2000, and it plays correctly, and my DA8 switchs into DSD mode automatically. 

I did not notice any problems / gaps / noise when switching songs.  

 

My Windows machines is pretty powerful though---i7 3770k, 16GB of RAM, and all music reside on SSDs.

If you notice gaps while switching songs, it might be foobar2000 loading data from disk into RAM.

Traditional disks are reasonably slow---at around 70MB per second read throughput.

If a DSD song is about 300MB, it will take a few seconds to load the file into RAM.

 

Audirvana seems to be pre-loading songs it will play next into RAM, so transitions are gapless. 

However, if I manually click on a song that's not scheduled to play next, I do notice Audirvana taking 1-2 seconds to load the song (Audirvana actually shows its loading progress). My PC is considerably more powerful compared to my Macbook, I have gapless random song switching on my PC, but not on my Mac. 

 

Edit: I really wish there were any free good player under OS X. So far very content with foobar2k; have not found any free OS X music player of equal functionality yet.


Edited by yz616 - 12/29/13 at 9:45pm
post #818 of 1596
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Originally Posted by yz616 View Post
 

I've been running my DA8 + HE500 non-stop for the past 72 hours (either listening to music or playing pink noise). 

 

I haven't run into any problem with DSD or SACD.  

I've tried Audirvana / JRiver / Fidelia / Amarra on OS X, and liked Audirvana most: it just works out-of-the-box, and plays whatever formats I throw at it, including SACD iso image files.  JRiver / Amarra interfaces are sluggish, so I didn't spend much time with them.

 

After my Audirvana trial expired, I switch to Windows using foobar2000.

I followed instructions on YuLongs website http://www.yulongaudio.com/en/shownews.asp?id=32

The only instruction I did not follow is that I did NOT install "Sabre DA8 driver". Instead, I install the "JRiver New asio".

I followed the rest of the instructions and SACD and DSD both work flawlessly in foobar2000.

I just need to drag SACD iso images into foobar2000, and it plays correctly, and my DA8 switchs into DSD mode automatically. 

I did not notice any problems / gaps / noise when switching songs.  

 

My Windows machines is pretty powerful though---i7 3770k, 16GB of RAM, and all music reside on SSDs.

If you notice gaps while switching songs, it might be foobar2000 loading data from disk into RAM.

Traditional disks are reasonably slow---at around 70MB per second read throughput.

If a DSD song is about 300MB, it will take a few seconds to load the file into RAM.

 

Audirvana seems to be pre-loading songs it will play next into RAM, so transitions are gapless. 

However, if I manually click on a song that's not scheduled to play next, I do notice Audirvana taking 1-2 seconds to load the song (Audirvana actually shows its loading progress). My PC is considerably more powerful compared to my Macbook, I have gapless random song switching on my PC, but not on my Mac. 

 

Edit: I really wish there were any free good player under OS X. So far very content with foobar2k; have not found any free OS X music player of equal functionality yet.

:rolleyes: Jriver for 49.95 is really not that bad, especially for what you get. 

post #819 of 1596
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post
 

:rolleyes: Jriver for 49.95 is really not that bad, especially for what you get. 

Yeah I totally agree, it's really worth every penny. Especially if you watch TV/Movies on your PC it's really a no-brainer.

post #820 of 1596
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post
 

:rolleyes: Jriver for 49.95 is really not that bad, especially for what you get. 

I actually tried JRiver.

JRiver on Windows might be good, however, on my Macbook, the interface is so sluggish! 

Drag&Drop also didn't work for me, I tried draging files into JRiver on OS X, and it didn't recognize what I was doing, so I gave up.

 

If I were to buy a music player for OS X, I would buy Audirvana for $74.  If Audirvana runs any sale one day, I'll likely buy it.

For now, since I also have a Windows gaming PC, I am sticking to Foobar2k for now. Free, why not :D

post #821 of 1596

I assume that generally people do not wish to spend 50 on a program that simply plays music. I was in the same boat, but Jriver is one of those things where--after using it for a good month you realize its value. I personally do not wish to go through the trouble of trying to find a reliable program that can seamlessly play anything I throw at it with excellent SQ like Jriver, you wont get any issues where the media player 'x' doesnt plays nice with dac drivers. Besides, Jriver is mentioned quite a lot here, arent you guys curious as to why that is?

post #822 of 1596

Still have not been able to install windows. Turns out my motherboard doesn't support my new 256gb ssd from toshiba as a boot drive. Something about a GPT style partition. Its a little over my head so the same friend is taking my ssd and installing windows on it for me. I do believe that my 1sec delay (noticing it less and less these days) and the popping/clicking during DSD/SACD songs is due to my computer.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by yz616 View Post
 

I've been running my DA8 + HE500 non-stop for the past 72 hours (either listening to music or playing pink noise). 

 

I haven't run into any problem with DSD or SACD.  

I've tried Audirvana / JRiver / Fidelia / Amarra on OS X, and liked Audirvana most: it just works out-of-the-box, and plays whatever formats I throw at it, including SACD iso image files.  JRiver / Amarra interfaces are sluggish, so I didn't spend much time with them.

 

After my Audirvana trial expired, I switch to Windows using foobar2000.

I followed instructions on YuLongs website http://www.yulongaudio.com/en/shownews.asp?id=32

The only instruction I did not follow is that I did NOT install "Sabre DA8 driver". Instead, I install the "JRiver New asio".

I followed the rest of the instructions and SACD and DSD both work flawlessly in foobar2000.

I just need to drag SACD iso images into foobar2000, and it plays correctly, and my DA8 switchs into DSD mode automatically. 

I did not notice any problems / gaps / noise when switching songs.  

 

My Windows machines is pretty powerful though---i7 3770k, 16GB of RAM, and all music reside on SSDs.

If you notice gaps while switching songs, it might be foobar2000 loading data from disk into RAM.

Traditional disks are reasonably slow---at around 70MB per second read throughput.

If a DSD song is about 300MB, it will take a few seconds to load the file into RAM.

 

Audirvana seems to be pre-loading songs it will play next into RAM, so transitions are gapless. 

However, if I manually click on a song that's not scheduled to play next, I do notice Audirvana taking 1-2 seconds to load the song (Audirvana actually shows its loading progress). My PC is considerably more powerful compared to my Macbook, I have gapless random song switching on my PC, but not on my Mac. 

 

Edit: I really wish there were any free good player under OS X. So far very content with foobar2k; have not found any free OS X music player of equal functionality yet.

 

I will have an extra 60gb ssd installed onto my computer after moving my windows over to the my new 256gb one. Maybe I will store my music on my old 60gb ssd too.

post #823 of 1596
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Originally Posted by Angelbelow View Post
 

Still have not been able to install windows. Turns out my motherboard doesn't support my new 256gb ssd from toshiba as a boot drive. Something about a GPT style partition. Its a little over my head so the same friend is taking my ssd and installing windows on it for me. I do believe that my 1sec delay (noticing it less and less these days) and the popping/clicking during DSD/SACD songs is due to my computer.

 

 

 

I will have an extra 60gb ssd installed onto my computer after moving my windows over to the my new 256gb one. Maybe I will store my music on my old 60gb ssd too.

If you are reinstalling windows with the CD and key that it had originally came with, then yes-the installation may be a problem because the new ssd was originally not apart of what it came with.

post #824 of 1596

Did you create a new drive on your disk partition prior to the reformat? Because the new created drive is where youd install a fresh window. Have you also tried in RAID mode?

post #825 of 1596
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Originally Posted by yz616 View Post
 

I actually tried JRiver.

JRiver on Windows might be good, however, on my Macbook, the interface is so sluggish! 

Drag&Drop also didn't work for me, I tried draging files into JRiver on OS X, and it didn't recognize what I was doing, so I gave up.

 

If I were to buy a music player for OS X, I would buy Audirvana for $74.  If Audirvana runs any sale one day, I'll likely buy it.

For now, since I also have a Windows gaming PC, I am sticking to Foobar2k for now. Free, why not :D

 

JRiver runs fine on my new I7 Mac mini with a SSD drive. Mines not sluggish at all. My trial runs out in 1 week and I'm curious to try other players. I've only had my DA8 for 3 weeks using some Koss ESP-950's. I've been through the guides and still unsure if I have it setup right although I'm playing Shelby Lynne on DSD just fine. I'm going to try Audirvana next.

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