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post #526 of 1379

Yea, I actually felt that way too after upgrading to Mavericks.  I figured it might have just been placebo though.

post #527 of 1379
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Originally Posted by Maven86 View Post
 

Yea, I actually felt that way too after upgrading to Mavericks.  I figured it might have just been placebo though.

Interesting there is multiple reports of this, so I did a quick search on audio related updates. There's no audio specific updates, but there is the App Nap feature that may be providing optimizations. That's the only thing i could see that may have an impact.

post #528 of 1379

Mavericks supports again the integer mode

post #529 of 1379

Hello, what in the heck is Mavericks?

post #530 of 1379
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post

Could be Mavericks

New Apple OS, they ran out of cat names.
post #531 of 1379
Yeah who knows why they chose Mavericks... It's pretty nice and it's free! Could be placebo.... wink.gif
post #532 of 1379
How does this compare with a mdac by audio lab. They are the same price for me sigh.. decisions
post #533 of 1379

I'm noticing distortion on the RCA when both RCA and XLR are connected at the same time... this doesn't seem normal, given what I've been reading in this thread.  When I disconnect the XLR, the RCA sounds perfect, but when they're both connected at the same time, the XLR seems to take precedence over the RCA.  I am using USB, if that matters at all.  Kind of has me worried that I might have to RMA this one...

 

Edit: Never mind, I messed with the buffer length a bit and turned it on and off a few times, and now its fine?  Ah, the mysteries of electronics.  Whatever, as long as it works fine :)

 

Second Edit: It seems for me the XLR and RCA have to actually be connected at the same time, IE. the balanced amp has to actually be on and connected at the same time, or else the XLR has to be unplugged.  Sorry for the complicated explanation, can anyone confirm if this is normal?  I remember Yulong said not to even use XLR to RCA adapters, wondering if this could possibly be something related to that.


Edited by evilhippie - 10/26/13 at 9:14pm
post #534 of 1379
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Originally Posted by evilhippie View Post

I'm noticing distortion on the RCA when both RCA and XLR are connected at the same time... this doesn't seem normal, given what I've been reading in this thread.  When I disconnect the XLR, the RCA sounds perfect, but when they're both connected at the same time, the XLR seems to take precedence over the RCA.  I am using USB, if that matters at all.  Kind of has me worried that I might have to RMA this one...

Edit: Never mind, I messed with the buffer length a bit and turned it on and off a few times, and now its fine?  Ah, the mysteries of electronics.  Whatever, as long as it works fine smily_headphones1.gif

Second Edit: It seems for me the XLR and RCA have to actually be connected at the same time, IE. the balanced amp has to actually be on and connected at the same time, or else the XLR has to be unplugged.  Sorry for the complicated explanation, can anyone confirm if this is normal?  I remember Yulong said not to even use XLR to RCA adapters, wondering if this could possibly be something related to that.
Exactly what are you connecting the RCA out to?
Edited by DarKen23 - 10/27/13 at 12:26am
post #535 of 1379
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Exactly what are you connecting the RCA out to?

 

Sorry, to be more specific, I'm connecting the XLR out to the input on my NFB-28, and the RCA out to an SA-31SE I just picked up.  Doesn't seem to matter if the XLR is actually connected on the other end, only that the cables are actually plugged into the DA-8.  It seems that for the RCA to function without any weirdness, the XLR in on the NFB-28 has to be active at the same time as the RCA, IE. I need to turn the NFB-28 on and to input 6 to have perfect sounding RCA output.  Its not like its completely distorted or anything, but its noticeable.  I'm guessing its because the RCA and XLR outs are connected in some way and the RCA is derived from the XLR.  If that's the case I'd rather not leave them both connected simultaneously.


Edited by evilhippie - 10/27/13 at 8:20am
post #536 of 1379
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Originally Posted by evilhippie View Post
 

Second Edit: It seems for me the XLR and RCA have to actually be connected at the same time, IE. the balanced amp has to actually be on and connected at the same time, or else the XLR has to be unplugged.  Sorry for the complicated explanation, can anyone confirm if this is normal?  I remember Yulong said not to even use XLR to RCA adapters, wondering if this could possibly be something related to that.

Using only XLR, have we to connect also the RCA?

post #537 of 1379

Question to fellow DA8 owners. Is there anything you don't like in particular?

How does it fare against other DACs you owned?

 

To my ears it's definitely better than DAC in Burson Conductor, but nowhere near Auralic Vega or Chord DAC64 (and this one is like 10+ years old design).

It sounds nice, detailed, and quite enjoyable with the good drive, but the second I switch to Auralic stack I realize how digital, closed in, and flat its presentation is, also somehow after a while my ears just get fatigued as if there were some hidden harshness to it, that's using Slow filter, on Sharp it's even worse.

Perhaps my expectations were too high and I should stop bitching comparing it to the DACs from different league, but what else is in there under $2K to try, almost regret selling my Chord now. :(

 

And sorry for bringing it up, but with all this positive feedback all way throughout the thread, I just can't believe no one had anything negative to say.

 

Of course if project86 could share his quick thoughts on Vega vs DA8 that would be absolutely fabulous.


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 10/27/13 at 1:20pm
post #538 of 1379
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

Question to fellow DA8 owners. Is there anything you don't like in particular?

How does it fare against other DACs you owned?

 

To my ears it's definitely better than DAC in Burson Conductor, but nowhere near Auralic Vega or Chord DAC64 (and this one is like 10+ years old design).

It sounds nice, detailed, and quite enjoyable with the good drive, but the second I switch to Auralic stack I realize how digital, closed in, and flat its presentation is, also somehow after a while my ears just get fatigued as if there were some hidden harshness to it, that's using Slow filter, on Sharp it's even worse.

Perhaps my expectations were too high and I should stop bitching comparing it to the DACs from different league, but what else is in there under $2K to try, almost regret selling my Chord now. :(

 

And sorry for bringing it up, but with all this positive feedback all way throughout the thread, I just can't believe no one had anything negative to say.

 

Of course if project86 could share his quick thoughts on Vega vs DA8 that would be absolutely fabulous.


Well coming from a HRT MS pro, the DA8 was a huge upgrade, though it took me about a week or so to fully appreciate the differences as they didn't jump out to me in the beginning.  I initially thought that upgrading from a ~$500 DAC to a ~$1000 DAC wouldn't be as pronounced due to diminishing returns kicking in...but I was pleasantly surprised.  Well recorded and high quality music sounds much more organic, lifelike, and layered with details when compared to my old set up, which I found quite satisfying before making the upgrade.  It's funny how you don't realize you're missing something until you actually hear what a better system can offer.  I take it you've experienced this with the Vega?  I'm also curious as to hear what others have to say about this DAC as I'm considering buy an Auralic Taurus and was wondering how big of a difference the Vega would make when paired with this amp.  Though for now, I'm completely satisfied with my DA8 :-).

post #539 of 1379
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

Question to fellow DA8 owners. Is there anything you don't like in particular?

How does it fare against other DACs you owned?

 

To my ears it's definitely better than DAC in Burson Conductor, but nowhere near Auralic Vega or Chord DAC64 (and this one is like 10+ years old design).

It sounds nice, detailed, and quite enjoyable with the good drive, but the second I switch to Auralic stack I realize how digital, closed in, and flat its presentation is, also somehow after a while my ears just get fatigued as if there were some hidden harshness to it, that's using Slow filter, on Sharp it's even worse.

Perhaps my expectations were too high and I should stop bitching comparing it to the DACs from different league, but what else is in there under $2K to try, almost regret selling my Chord now. :(

 

And sorry for bringing it up, but with all this positive feedback all way throughout the thread, I just can't believe no one had anything negative to say.

 

Of course if project86 could share his quick thoughts on Vega vs DA8 that would be absolutely fabulous.

Are you using asio or wasapi?

post #540 of 1379
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Originally Posted by evilhippie View Post
 

 

Sorry, to be more specific, I'm connecting the XLR out to the input on my NFB-28, and the RCA out to an SA-31SE I just picked up.  Doesn't seem to matter if the XLR is actually connected on the other end, only that the cables are actually plugged into the DA-8.  It seems that for the RCA to function without any weirdness, the XLR in on the NFB-28 has to be active at the same time as the RCA, IE. I need to turn the NFB-28 on and to input 6 to have perfect sounding RCA output.  Its not like its completely distorted or anything, but its noticeable.  I'm guessing its because the RCA and XLR outs are connected in some way and the RCA is derived from the XLR.  If that's the case I'd rather not leave them both connected simultaneously.

 

I haven't had any problems just using one output or the other, with nothing else plugged in. Sounds like maybe a ground loop issue that's being temporarily solved when you plug in to the other device. 

 

Try taking your DA8 to a different power outlet somewhere else in the house. Try not to have much else plugged in at the same time. Run the DA8 that way and see what happens. I could be wrong, but this has ground loop written all over it. It's either that, or maybe defective RCA cables, or else your DA8 is flawed. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

Question to fellow DA8 owners. Is there anything you don't like in particular?

How does it fare against other DACs you owned?

 

To my ears it's definitely better than DAC in Burson Conductor, but nowhere near Auralic Vega or Chord DAC64 (and this one is like 10+ years old design).

It sounds nice, detailed, and quite enjoyable with the good drive, but the second I switch to Auralic stack I realize how digital, closed in, and flat its presentation is, also somehow after a while my ears just get fatigued as if there were some hidden harshness to it, that's using Slow filter, on Sharp it's even worse.

Perhaps my expectations were too high and I should stop bitching comparing it to the DACs from different league, but what else is in there under $2K to try, almost regret selling my Chord now. :(

 

And sorry for bringing it up, but with all this positive feedback all way throughout the thread, I just can't believe no one had anything negative to say.

 

Of course if project86 could share his quick thoughts on Vega vs DA8 that would be absolutely fabulous.

 

I never got to compare the Vega directly to the DA8. I definitely think the Vega is better though, based on extrapolating the differences between each unit and my reference Invicta. Vega comes a lot closer than DA8. 

 

Still, I think DA8 is quite an overachiever. In its price class, there's not a lot that matches it much less exceeds it. Anedio D2 and Matrix X-Sabre are two of them, and the new BMC PureDAC seems to be up there as well (just got one in for testing). The Hilo has quite a reputation (haven't heard it myself) and the NAD M51 is very good but doesn't blow the DA8 away by any means. Bryston BDA-1 is outclassed in this crowd (imho) and their BDA-2 is significantly more expensive. Benchmark DAC-2 might be a contender.... and I can't think of anything else worth mentioning in this range. 

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