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post #496 of 1363
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At this point not 100% sure that this is a keeper, need something more resolving.

I might eat my hat after all, guess GS-1 just cooled off while I was doing switching and arranging all the cables, as now, after proper warm up, it really carves some details out. Phew. :o

Did you guys have to run ASIO install separately from main driver?

post #497 of 1363
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Noticed that even with Amplifier ON, there is signal in line out RCA. Is that intentional or just some crosstalking/bleeding?

Silly me, preamp function. Doh.

post #498 of 1363
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I might eat my hat after all, guess GS-1 just cooled off while I was doing switching and arranging all the cables, as now, after proper warm up, it really carves some details out. Phew. :o

Did you guys have to run ASIO install separately from main driver?

 

Hehe I figured you might, since you previously didn't give it a real chance yet. I didn't have to run ASIO at all, just WASAPI from JRMC. There's also some options in JRMC's latest version to upsample to 32/384 or DSD, but I haven't had good results in my system. Others appear to like the difference in sound though. YMMV. Not to sound like a broken record, but do try covering USB pins 1&4 with a thin slice of electrical tape and see if you notice a difference. It made a positive result in my system for sure, keeps out the PC power.

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Silly me, preamp function. Doh.

Hehe that's what i was thinking as well.

post #499 of 1363
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Did you guys have to run ASIO install separately from main driver?

Im actually using WASAPI event style.

post #500 of 1363
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I have been looking into their products for digitizing my vinyl as a fun project. Do you have experience in this area by chance?

No, i haven't done any vinyl riping myself.

As of pre-amp quality it is decent in RME-s. Did some recording of voice and other effects with condenser mic, very clean.

Supposedly their dedicated mic/instrument pre-amps are even cleaner.

post #501 of 1363
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No, i haven't done any vinyl riping myself.

As of pre-amp quality it is decent in RME-s. Did some recording of voice and other effects with condenser mic, very clean.

Supposedly their dedicated mic/instrument pre-amps are even cleaner.

Thanks for the info. Since I like to DIY, i came across this little gem  for $159 that can output 24-bit or even DSD! It's TOTL and supposedly beats many pre-made products costing 10x its price. Consider me sold!

 

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/geekslutz-forum/662351-my-pcm4222evm-build-w-pic-need-some-tips.html


Edited by brunk - 10/22/13 at 11:56am
post #502 of 1363
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Did you guys have to run ASIO install separately from main driver?

Im actually using WASAPI event style.


How do you set DSD playback then? Plus ASIO is always better, more stable in my experience, as there is less layers introduced by OS in front of the driver.

I guess you don't need it in JRiver, foobar2000 requires one.


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 10/22/13 at 12:48pm
post #503 of 1363
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Did you guys have to run ASIO install separately from main driver?

Im actually using WASAPI event style.


How do you set DSD playback then? Plus ASIO is always better, more stable in my experience, as there is less layers introduced by OS in front of the driver.

I guess you don't need it in JRiver, foobar2000 requires one.

Yea no need with jriver.

 

Also, in order to get ASIO working properly with DA8 on Jriver, I had to use the foobar driver on Jriver.


Edited by DarKen23 - 10/22/13 at 1:03pm
post #504 of 1363
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How do you set DSD playback then? Plus ASIO is always better, more stable in my experience, as there is less layers introduced by OS in front of the driver.

I guess you don't need it in JRiver, foobar2000 requires one.

Jriver article on how to enable it here:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82074.0

post #505 of 1363

Does anybody have any details on how that Jitter Eliminator works. Quite confusing, most jitter reduction algorithms produce smoother sound, iLink had one and it was butter smooth when enabled. With Yulong it seems to be different

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 Originally posted by project86
 
What is more obvious is the "Jitter Eliminator" option. Leaving it off with a basic source like a laptop will result in a somewhat unfocused sound - not terrible, but activating the jitter reduction sounds noticeably better. Same goes for SPDIF sources. I tried an old Denon DVD-2200 as transport which is getting pretty long in the tooth, and was never really anything special to begin with. It sounded just halfway decent with Jitter Eliminator turned off, but actually quite good with Jitter Eliminator on. With very good transports, however, I end up leaving Jitter Eliminator off. It seems like it maybe restricts transparency just a tad, when being fed an ultra-clean signal from my Audiophilleo combo or even just the SOtM output of the Auraliti PK90. But it's definitely beneficial when using a more basic (and likely higher jitter) source. Yulong says turning the Jitter Eliminator off makes everything "softer" while leaving it on is more "punchy" and I generally agree.... but maybe with a low jitter source the Eliminator does more harm than good? I don't know, but again I'm happy to have options. 

Shouldn't that be opposite?

post #506 of 1363
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Wait i'm confused... The jitter rejection mode is from the ESS9018 chip right?

But the USB module already has anti-jitter in place so it's like a double jitter rejection with it on and this is why people are turning the function off?

Almost. The Jitter mode "ON" is Yulong's proprietary jitter reducer that is purposefully made for very jittery sources, like digital-outs from game consoles, TVs, PCs etc. With the jitter mode "OFF" it will utilize the DAC's own jitter rejection. This was added because the previous flagship, the D18, was very obnoxious in locking with jittery sources.

wait..Im not so sure that answered your question Andrew..


Edited by DarKen23 - 10/22/13 at 2:45pm
post #507 of 1363

Not a whole lot, but at least some info, this is ESS thing, not Yulong creation.

http://www.esstech.com/PDF/ES9018%20ES9012%20Product%20Brief.pdf

post #508 of 1363
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Not a whole lot, but at least some info, this is ESS thing, not Yulong creation.

http://www.esstech.com/PDF/ES9018%20ES9012%20Product%20Brief.pdf

That is ESS's own, Yulong had also created one, so there is actually two separate jitter reducers, but only one at a time enabled I believe.

post #509 of 1363

And even better source for tech savvy.

http://hifiduino.wordpress.com/sabre32/

Essentially this is ASRC stage that can be disabled, or at least this is my reading of it.:cool:

post #510 of 1363
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

Not a whole lot, but at least some info, this is ESS thing, not Yulong creation.

http://www.esstech.com/PDF/ES9018%20ES9012%20Product%20Brief.pdf

That is ESS's own, Yulong had also created one, so there is actually two separate jitter reducers, but only one at a time enabled I believe.


Have more info on that, Yulong calls it Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, same lingo ESS is using.

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