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post #226 of 1394
Man, I am extremely impressed with the built in amp on the DA8. Using the xlr on the rear to connect my HD800 has a significant improvement over the front 1/4 jack, since my balanced cables are a dual 3pin xlr-Im using 2 seperate female-to-female xlr coupler. Loving every bit of the DA8!
post #227 of 1394
The usb offered in the DA8 proved to be superior over my personal favorite converter set up. Im astonished it bested my iusb>iLink, I never thought I would let it go. Actually I decided to still keep the iusb, its a slight improvement when I use the iusb prior to sending the power and signal to the DA8, very clean sounding.

Its amazing how the DA8 allowed me to downsize while improving the overall sound significantly. Very happy with it.
Edited by DarKen23 - 9/12/13 at 10:58am
post #228 of 1394

DA8 doesn't need power on USB. You can cut the wire or cover with tape the pins on one side of your cable.

post #229 of 1394
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post

DA8 doesn't need power on USB. You can cut the wire or cover with tape the pins on one side of your cable.
Yup, Ive tried that as well, on pins 1&4. But still, Im getting better results with iusb in the chain.
post #230 of 1394

I got my unit today. Comparison between D100 is hard to make, because i don't really want to listen to the D100 any more..

I have to admit i was skeptical, as to how much can one get better in DAC section than D100 is, so i am literally stunned right now (i need to adjust my principal understanding of universe:D).

First thing that struck me was the timbre of instruments. I noticed that in many songs 'digital claps' were actually drum sticks beaten together mildly.

One more confession: i got annoyed when people commented about some sound stage attributes such as how big and how well defined are contours (of instruments) in room of sound, i thought it must be some sort of mass psychosis in effect. 

I think i now get them  :) There really is some magical property to this, something like a semi 3D video game to real 3D in D100 to DA8 comparison.

Listening HD800 through the built in amp (best i've got for now) the bass seems to emanate from everywhere, is it the amp or DAC itself, i don't even care, i am just so happy.

 

Still for my own curiosity i will compare these two DAC units in a nice big room with some really high-end studio monitors in couple of months.

 

I have a poor understanding of ASIO, Yulong provides ASIO driver, but is it bit perfect design (avoiding windows kernel)? Does anyone know this

Wasabi in Foobar seems to make tracks mute at the very beginning for about half a second with DA8. Anyone shares this trouble with me?

post #231 of 1394
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Originally Posted by Priidik View Post
 

Wasabi in Foobar seems to make tracks mute at the very beginning for about half a second with DA8. Anyone shares this trouble with me?

No no, wasabi... Oh same old same old what's up with you? :biggrin:

post #232 of 1394
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Originally Posted by Priidik View Post

I got my unit today. Comparison between D100 is hard to make, because i don't really want to listen to the D100 any more..
I have to admit i was skeptical, as to how much can one get better in DAC section than D100 is, so i am literally stunned right now (i need to adjust my principal understanding of universe:D).
First thing that struck me was the timbre of instruments. I noticed that in many songs 'digital claps' were actually drum sticks beaten together mildly.
One more confession: i got annoyed when people commented about some sound stage attributes such as how big and how well defined are contours (of instruments) in room of sound, i thought it must be some sort of mass psychosis in effect. 
I think i now get them  smily_headphones1.gif There really is some magical property to this, something like a semi 3D video game to real 3D in D100 to DA8 comparison.
Listening HD800 through the built in amp (best i've got for now) the bass seems to emanate from everywhere, is it the amp or DAC itself, i don't even care, i am just so happy.

Still for my own curiosity i will compare these two DAC units in a nice big room with some really high-end studio monitors in couple of months.

I have a poor understanding of ASIO, Yulong provides ASIO driver, but is it bit perfect design (avoiding windows kernel)? Does anyone know this
Wasabi in Foobar seems to make tracks mute at the very beginning for about half a second with DA8. Anyone shares this trouble with me?
I've been trying to work out the Jriver issue, I should ask here as well.

I was using Jriver prior to the DA8. However, with MC19, I can't seem to get DSD to play, I've tried all sorts of things but failed in succeeding. In the DA8 manual, it states that wasapi EVENT should be used, but EVENT mode isn't there. Apparently if exclusive mode is selected, that would mean that event mode is being used. But I still cannot play a DSD file. Maybe someone can shed some light?

Alternatively, out of frustration--I went back to foobar and followed the instruction for ASIO. DSD plays perfectly, the DA8 screen shows "input USB DSD". Not only does DSD work, but I'm getting excellent sound quality with DSD as well as all the formats.
post #233 of 1394

I forgot to add that i had the chance to listen HD800's (burnt in shop fare, not my own pair) through the HDVD800 in a shop, before i ordered DA8. I had only limited time to listen, no more than 30min. As amazed as i was back then (i would have bought the HDVD600 right away if i had the money then), still i am pretty confident that DA8 is better than HDVD800 as Amp+DAC for HD800's, though AB-ing would confirm the outcome of course.

I also listened HD800-s through the Black Cube Linear by Lehmann. This time some really fancy looking, but unknown to me CD player was used as the front end. I thought the combo sounded dull and uninviting. Also bass depth and impact was lacking and everything sounded flat in both sound staging and dynamics wise. Imaging and detail extraction seemed good though. But all in all i thought that D100 had nothing to be shamed of in comparison from my memory. 

Just some impressions i wanted to share.

post #234 of 1394
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post
Yup, Ive tried that as well, on pins 1&4. But still, Im getting better results with iusb in the chain.

In your cable (pins covered) there are only "data". :wink:


Edited by Esprit - 9/12/13 at 1:26pm
post #235 of 1394
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

No no, wasabi... Oh same old same old what's up with you? :biggrin:

:bigsmile_face: It is bread and butter for me right now.. :( 

post #236 of 1394
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post

Yup, Ive tried that as well, on pins 1
In your cable (pins covered) there are only "data". wink.gif
Right on.
post #237 of 1394
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Originally Posted by Priidik View Post

I forgot to add that i had the chance to listen HD800's (burnt in shop fare, not my own pair) through the HDVD800 in a shop, before i ordered DA8. I had only limited time to listen, no more than 30min. As amazed as i was back then (i would have bought the HDVD600 right away if i had the money then), still i am pretty confident that DA8 is better than HDVD800 as Amp+DAC for HD800's, though AB-ing would confirm the outcome of course.
I also listened HD800-s through the Black Cube Linear by Lehmann. This time some really fancy looking, but unknown to me CD player was used as the front end. I thought the combo sounded dull and uninviting. Also bass depth and impact was lacking and everything sounded flat in both sound staging and dynamics wise. Imaging and detail extraction seemed good though. But all in all i thought that D100 had nothing to be shamed of in comparison from my memory. 
Just some impressions i wanted to share.
Those 30mins were irrelevant but congrats on the DA8.

Ive been curious about the HDVA600 for awhile.
post #238 of 1394

30 min in shop is too little exposure, i know but i tried to listen critically:).

I am also wondering how would the HDVD600 + DA8 be with HD800. Also not helpful is the absence of good (comparative) reviews of that unit and in the end it is a bit matter of taste.

post #239 of 1394
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Originally Posted by Priidik View Post

30 min in shop is too little exposure, i know but i tried to listen critically:).
I am also wondering how would the HDVD600 + DA8 be with HD800. Also not helpful is the absence of good (comparative) reviews of that unit and in the end it is a bit matter of taste.
Yup, I havent found a single decent review. Sounds like a job for someone here. Possibly Project86 *fingers crossed*.

And it's actually named HDVA600, not HDVD800. I believe the HDVD has a dac and USB input as well.
post #240 of 1394

Since I purchased my HD650 I only occasionally listened to them because they sounded dull, a little muddy out of the little Arcam rPack.

 

I knew it wasn't good enough to drive them, just had nothing else! So I still didn't know what they were capable of... until now! I am having so much fun listening to them with the DA8, the sound opened up, vocals are meaty and soft, bass extended and controlled. 

 

Glad to read that all of you agree that HD800 sounds very nice driven by the DA8, because It will be my next purchase, hopefully :rolleyes:

I'm planning to use the front jack first before planning to add a dedicated amp.


Edited by simomat - 9/12/13 at 4:02pm
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