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post #1216 of 1602

Hi,

 

Newbie to Head-Fi. Newbie to headpones and DAC's. I moved into a condo and the Diapasons, Meridian and Bedini went into the closet. I long for the day to unleash the fury. For now I can't my wife and neighbors would kill me. So i decided to give headphones a try, I just recently purchased Beyer T1's. I was listening to them on a computer with an Asus Xonar Essence ATX sound card. I really liked what I was hearing but I knew the T1's could do better. My search brought me to this website and the extensive amount of reviews. It's forums like this that help people discover equipment that they would normally otherwise never consider, so thank you to all who take the time to write such thorough reviews. I purchased a DA8 based on several reviews from this thread. I received my DA8 at the beginning of this week and my initial impression was that everything sounded closed in and thin. I knew there was going to be a bit of burn in period and I have to say that the DA8 is sounding real amazing. As I'm typing this I'm listening to Braveheart. The drum impact and depth as well as the width have improved quite a bit from my initial impression. This little aluminum box on my desk is truly awesome. The quality of sound it produces for the price paid is really a treat. The next phase in my evolution is to by a dedicated amp. I have been reading some positive reviews about Woo WA2 and Violectric V200 with the Beyer T1's. One amp in paticular that has caught my curiosity is the SPL Auditor. It seems, based on specs, that this amp should do wonders for the T1's. I did read some reviews saying that it is clinical and boring. The people that gave that analysis where not using the DA8. I'm wondering if the DA8 is so smooth and wide would that negate the clinical and boring attributes of the Auditor. If the amp dosen't get in the way, all I'll be listening to is the DAC, which is not a bad thing in this case. I was hoping that the people with more experience share some thoughts.

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve

post #1217 of 1602
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
You sure do pay a lot to get that small improvement though. 

The price is Vega = DA8 x 3: is the improvement three times as much?

post #1218 of 1602
asus rt-ac66uQuote:
Originally Posted by Elder View Post
 

It is good to know that the XLR outs seem to be RFI immune. May be the sensitive part is the RCA outputs only. I only experienced noise with my DECT wireless telephone and noticed that the noise was gone when the RCA cables were disconnected. I never had a router near the DA8. I mentioned wireless routers as possible RFI noise source. Other people, including Mossberg, have already reported that a wireless router caused some noise. This is also dependent of the RFI source itself. Sometimes using a different brand or model with different power and antennas can make a difference. Anyway, the inducted noise is very soft and I only noticed with sensitive earphones. With the Beyer DT990 and with the Superlux HD681 I cannot hear any noise with the wireless phone handset very near the DA8.

 

I would like to clarify that the noise I am talking about is heard at the internal HP amplifier. I never heard any noise coming from the RCA outputs to the power amplifier.


I was connected to internal amp with my denons (was way less apparent with grado rs1i) , no usb or rca connected still got clear pulsing noise. Router asus rt-ac66u. no noise at all after I moved it about 6 feet away, it was in less than a foot away before.

post #1219 of 1602

/mode OT on

@project86 When you have reviewed the Auralic Taurus, was the SPL Phonitor the oldest or the newest version (Phonitor 2)?

/mode OT off

post #1220 of 1602
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post
 

The price is Vega = DA8 x 3: is the improvement three times as much?

 

Nope. The increase is never linear when going from a really good DAC to an even better DAC. Same thing goes if we compare the DA8 to a budget DAC like Parasound ZDAC or Resonessence Concero. DA8 is better, but not 2X better. It's hard to find a good stopping point for bang/buck. 

 

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/mode OT on

@project86 When you have reviewed the Auralic Taurus, was the SPL Phonitor the oldest or the newest version (Phonitor 2)?

/mode OT off

 

The old model. I haven't heard the new one. 

post #1221 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post
 

I live in a little town but now in my house I'm receiving over 20 wifi signals from my neighbours (In addition there are lots transmitters for mobile) ;)

The noise is caused by a device close the DAC. Those devices away will not cause any noise.

Again, the noise is heard at the internal amp out. It looks like you are not using it, so you will not hear any noise.

post #1222 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Elder View Post
 

The noise is caused by a device close the DAC. Those devices away will not cause any noise.

Again, the noise is heard at the internal amp out. It looks like you are not using it, so you will not hear any noise.

My router is one meter away. I'll try the internal amp.

post #1223 of 1602
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
The old model. I haven't heard the new one. 

Thanks!

post #1224 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post
 

My router is one meter away. I'll try the internal amp.

One meter may be far enough to not cause noise. Mossberg had his router at less than 30 cm (one foot) away from the DA8 when he heard the noise. After moving it to about 2 meter away (6 feet) the noise was gone.


Edited by Elder - 3/2/14 at 3:44pm
post #1225 of 1602
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Originally Posted by snsandrze View Post
 

... my initial impression was that everything sounded closed in and thin. I knew there was going to be a bit of burn in period and I have to say that the DA8 is sounding real amazing. As I'm typing this I'm listening to Braveheart. The drum impact and depth as well as the width have improved quite a bit from my initial impression ...

 

 

Steve, the DA8's burn in takes hundreds of hours. You will notice a significant improvement after the first 100 hours and it will keep improving.

I was a bit disappointed when I heard its sound just after unboxing. The sound was good but, compared to my Audio-gd NBF-15.1, it was not so better to justify a price over 5 times higher (actually I found the NFB-15.1 more powerfull, punchier and engaging). After some time using the DA8, it is hard to get back to the NFB-15.1.

 

My experience is mostly with the internal amp. I do not know what burn in takes longer: of the DAC or of the internal amp.

post #1226 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Elder View Post
 

Steve, the DA8's burn in takes hundreds of hours. You will notice a significant improvement after the first 100 hours and it will keep improving.

I was a bit disappointed when I heard its sound just after unboxing. The sound was good but, compared to my Audio-gd NBF-15.1, it was not so better to justify a price over 5 times higher (actually I found the NFB-15.1 more powerfull, punchier and engaging). After some time using the DA8, it is hard to get back to the NFB-15.1.

 

My experience is mostly with the internal amp. I do not know what burn in takes longer: of the DAC or of the internal amp.

Hi Elder,

 

I was not excited when I first plugged it in and took it for a test drive. In all fairness I didn't even give the amp a chance to warm up. The DA8 has been playing music for almost a week straight now and it really is sounding amazing. The sound has opened up quite a bit and the lower extension has improved. Now my only issue is turning up the volume with my T1's. It is having problems driving them adequately. Understable though, as the amp is not designed to drive 600 ohm headphones to ear bleeding levels. At normal listening levels (normal= I can still organize my thoughts and type!!!) the DA8 actually sounds really good. Nice extension in both directions. 

Now back to reading reviews about amps.

I'm having serios GAS!

 

Steve

post #1227 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Elder View Post
 

One meter may be far enough to not cause noise. Mossberg had his router at less than 30 cm (one foot) away from the DA8 when he heard the noise. After moving it to about 2 meter away (6 feet) the noise was gone.

I'll put the router over the DA8, is this enough as test? :L3000:

post #1228 of 1602

I'm still comparing the Mytek with the Yulong.

 

This is the Mytek:

 

 

This is the Yulong:

(The arcs, the differences, are not so curved but I have not find arcs more straight, in the web)

 

I would like to find a DAC in the middle: a true straight line :L3000:

post #1229 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post
 

I'm still comparing the Mytek with the Yulong.

 

This is the Mytek:

 

 

This is the Yulong:

(The arcs, the differences, are not so curved but I have not find arcs more straight, in the web)

 

I would like to find a DAC in the middle: a true straight line :L3000:

 

With good matching, both are excellent DACs :L3000:

Some comparison here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/622248/mytek-stereo-192-dsd-dac-preamp-amplifier-review-appreciation-thread/225#post_10128288

post #1230 of 1602
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post
 

I'm still comparing the Mytek with the Yulong.

 

This is the Mytek:

 

 

This is the Yulong:

(The arcs, the differences, are not so curved but I have not find arcs more straight, in the web)

 

I would like to find a DAC in the middle: a true straight line :L3000:

 

Maybe Lynx Hilo.       

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