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Shure SE 535 Reds Sennheiser IE 80 Westone 4-R ???

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Hello there everyone, I am looking for a pair of IEMs that I can use for when I am traveling on the plane or in the car that will give very crisp and positional sound.  I am not an exceptional audiophile, but I am very very particular about my sound when it comes to music and video gaming.  In the title I just listed 3 particular IEMs, the Shure SE 535 Reds, Sennheheiser IE 80s and Weston 4-Rs, that I have come across in my browsing in various threads in the forums that seem to have very high popularity, but I am sure that are many more high end IEMs out there.

 

I have been using my Sennheiser 595, 598, for quite some time now and love the sound quality and sound stage.  However, I suffer from chronic migraines and the headset/phone, while they are all very comfortable can still be an annoyance if I get a migraine and I still want to listen to some soothing tunes.  So out of all the high end IEMs I have been looking at, there is just so much information to take in, I have just can't seem to figure out which way to go.  These would be the categories I would be primarily be interested in.

 

1. Sound Stage must be amazing (for positional awareness within gaming)

2. Comfort (must be able to use for extend periods of time 8-12 hours without ears getting soar)

3. Clarity and crispness not too high but very clear

4. Works well with virtual

5. Most optimal for Pop, 70s Rock, 90s Rock, Country, Classical (I Know this is a wide range, I listen to a lot, I would probably say, Pop and classical the most)

6. Not overwhelming bass, but still apparent

7. I currently use a Asus Xonar Essence STX on my desktop PC, just noting that

8. $700 or less

 

As for highs, mids, lows, as I said I am by no means I am not a audiophile, but I did list what I have been accustomed to listening to over the past few years and I believe they sound very good. So I would be looking for something definitely on par or not above that level of sound quality.  Thank you for any input.

post #2 of 95

Well for starters the IE80's, if similar to the IE8s, won't have as much isolation as the 535s or w4rs by nature of their design. Any ambient noise leaking into your earphones is going to affect sound quality so yea, just keep that in mind.

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How about wait for the SE846 to drop in price?  Sound wise I think the W4R will fit you the best, plus it has a very good hard case for travel.  However, with your budget you can definitely shop around and hunt for those super highend ones.

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imo ive owned both se535-ltd-j and now the w4r imo the w4r are better hands down........and imo the ie80 cost more then their worth, the 535 and w4r are some of the best universals besides the tg334 and 1plus2...when taking into cost and capability the 535 and w4r are up there

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Yes I just saw some info about ths se846, what exactly is the difference or benefit in that kind of a price difference when it seems that the w4r are all around better then the se535 or most other iems in that price bracket? Also just to note I'm not looking for noise cancelling specificalling because with units ive tested in the past it honestly seems to hinder the audio quality more then it helps. As for my budget I can flex a bit just not too crazy, like going up into those 1a though 1c iems that are like $1300-$1400. Additionally, what are all your thoughts on all these devices working with the Asus Essence STX sound card? I noticed on some iems the impedence is very low and woukd not even be needed but others is in the 30s and a little amp may be helpful.
Edited by AuburnEagle23 - 7/17/13 at 6:31am
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Check the fischer amps fa 4e xb here is a thread about them http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4e-xb-four-drivers-from-germany... they are very clear, very detailed, balanced, very well extended in both sides, huge soundstage,excellent separation, deep bass...they cost the same as the shure 535 sm3v2 um3x ex1000(i have all of them) and are clearly above in almost everything in terms of soundquality. contruction, isolation and fit are excellent too...a friend of mine had the w4 and found them also not even close to the fischers... of course everything in sq is a bit subjective but i tell you in this price range i can tell there is nothing close at least what we have heard. its a no brainer check them in thomann cyberstore.


Edited by Kurdt-bada - 7/17/13 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by AuburnEagle23 View Post

Yes I just saw some info about ths se846, what exactly is the difference or benefit in that kind of a price difference when it seems that the w4r are all around better then the se535 or most other iems in that price bracket? Also just to note I'm not looking for noise cancelling specificalling because with units ive tested in the past it honestly seems to hinder the audio quality more then it helps. As for my budget I can flex a bit just not too crazy, like going up into those 1a though 1c iems that are like $1300-$1400. Additionally, what are all your thoughts on all these devices working with the Asus Essence STX sound card? I noticed on some iems the impedence is very low and woukd not even be needed but others is in the 30s and a little amp may be helpful.

As of now since the SE846 is totally new, it is a bit over priced in my option.  However, it has 4 drivers setup with a new low pass filter design to make the sound more coherent.  You do need to start looking for USB based external DAC, as any internal sound card will always have a bit of noise from your motherboard.  For me, the W4R, SE535, UE900, and H4i are all in the same level and not necessary better against each other.  It is more of a preference on what kind of sound signature you are looking for with your music.  For instance, the UE900 is more fun and the W4R is more warm and even.

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Yeah the se846 are what $1000 now? Has anyone tested them compared to the w4r or the fischer amp fa 4e xb ? If so are they worth that $500-$600 increase?

I've never owned a dac but I recrntly saw a new product released by vmoda the vamp verza, thoughts? Its supposedly a dac, amp, and battery pack all rolled into one. But I have never ever researched these units and their various feautures and ptice points but supposedly this is revolutionary to have all three in one unit, it is $600 though.

Back to the iemthough, I was looking at the ue900 originally, however; with the non detachable cable I got turned off because I came across quite alot of reviews on various sites stating after only a few months of use the connection begins to break between the earbud and the cable and you begin to get static or pure signal loss.

@Mooses The tg334 look nice, read a couple reviews, but yeah up in that $1300 area :-(.

@Kurdt-Bada Taking a look at your link now.
Edited by AuburnEagle23 - 7/17/13 at 7:15am
post #9 of 95
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Took a look at the fischer amp fa 4e xds and while they look great, their biggest downfall is they dont seem to be on amazon. I try to go through them for everything so if it doesn't work out it goes right back and all costs, evem shipping are refunded and another product can be tested. Just very reliable. But the iems look great. Cable looked kind if bad though, didnt like that twisted exposed look, without a cover, ive found with other earbuds the cables split if they are covered by another sleeve. But I suppose as long as you can get a replacemrnt or custom it doesnt matter.
Edited by AuburnEagle23 - 7/17/13 at 7:30am
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yep only available in europe but thomann ships to us, cable is the same as the westone or earsonics epic cable but it can be replaced...since i got them i check this forum less everyday smily_headphones1.gif


Edited by Kurdt-bada - 7/17/13 at 7:35am
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Yeah I didnt see specifically if it could be detached, but thats a bummer they aren't on amazon, amazon isn't just US, they are worldwide. They would get quite a lot more business accessing that market, especially if their product is up to that level of quality and performance.
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Originally Posted by AuburnEagle23 View Post

Yeah the se846 are what $1000 now? Has anyone tested them compared to the w4r or the fischer amp fa 4e xb ? If so are they worth that $500-$600 increase?

I've never owned a dac but I recrntly saw a new product released by vmoda the vamp verza, thoughts? Its supposedly a dac, amp, and battery pack all rolled into one. But I have never ever researched these units and their various feautures and ptice points but supposedly this is revolutionary to have all three in one unit, it is $600 though.

Back to the iemthough, I was looking at the ue900 originally, however; with the non detachable cable I got turned off because I came across quite alot of reviews on various sites stating after only a few months of use the connection begins to break between the earbud and the cable and you begin to get static or pure signal loss.

@Mooses The tg334 look nice, read a couple reviews, but yeah up in that $1300 area :-(.

@Kurdt-Bada Taking a look at your link now.

Dude you got feeded some wrong information.  The UE900 includes not one but TWO detachable cables right in the hardcase box, and mine is suppose to be from one of those bad batch, but I never have any problems with it.  We have yet to see if the SE846 is worth the price hike, which I personally doubt, but at the mean time the SE535 Japan Limited is still the best of the 535s.  The VERZA is very good, and it will get you covered for most situations.  The Sony PHA-1 is very simiular to the VERZA and it is only $400.  If you only need a DAC for your desktop/laptop, the AudioQuest DragonFly at $250 is hard to beat.  You can use it for an iPad too with some rigging.

post #13 of 95

i see but this product is very new , this company is not as big as shure, westone or senheisser...and i guess very few units are on sale right now that's why is difficult to find them. hope they can get more market with this iems as they are incredible value compared to westone shure or earsonics iems...


Edited by Kurdt-bada - 7/17/13 at 8:02am
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You know I keep reading people saying that the W4(R) is superior to the se535, but this is very subjective. I kept my se535 for 6 months and only sold it to get customs. I sold my W4 in a week. I think on paper, the W4 is superior, but it just didn't move me. It just didn't seem as "inviting/welcoming" . Don't get me wrong, the sound quality is amazing, but it was also boring in a way. It's like watching someone play a game and nail every single move or when a dancer does a routine perfectly. It is amazing at first, but it becomes repetitive. This is my personal opinion and I'm sure there are people who disagree with me but I'm just playing devil's advocate here. 


Edited by mc21 - 7/17/13 at 8:47am
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Well i find the shure 535 very boring and the bass kind of anemic with metallic and not well extended highs, never heard the w4 but my friend told me the same as mc21, he liked the phonaks 232 better until he heard the fischer amps 😛
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