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post #541 of 4211
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Originally Posted by TheManko View Post
 

Much to the chagrin of my wallet I went out and bought the Kef M500 and B&W P7 this week. To start with I think both sound better than the Momentum, so to some degree you're actually getting what you pay for with them in terms of sound. What both M500 and P7 do better than the Momentum is bass control. It just feels like the M500 and P7 are stiffer and better dampened constructions, while the Momentum has some resonance that bleed into the mids a bit.

 

The P7 is a huge improvement over the P5, since it now has a more present treble and properly big soundstage. The treble is still slightly dampened, so there's no harshness whatsoever. But it sounds like a more neutral balance than the other B&W headphones. The bass has a bump in it which adds some nice impact and oomph, without becoming ridiculous and overpowered. The bass bump is bigger than the one in the Momentum, so the Sennheiser's remain the more balanced headphone of the two. What the P7 do better though is have a big bass that still feels well controlled, so the mids and highs retain clarity even when there's a huge pulsing bass in the background. This is something the M500 do as well. The M500 seem to have a more linear balance than the Momentum and P7, except with a bump in the deep bass instead of mid bass. So with electronic music you can get a huge pulsing deep bass with the M500 at times, and thanks to the tightness of the sound you still have a wide open soundstage and midrange clarity. Of the three the M500 has more treble and can at times have a hard quality to the highs. There's no sibilance from what I've heard, so they're still nice to listen to over time.

 

Overall the Momentum are of course still a nicely balanced and well done headphone, but personally I like the M500 and P7 more. Between the M500 and P7 I can't decide yet, but I'm leaning toward the P7 since they're more nicely built and are more comfortable. If you had to pick one of the three there's no wrong choice. They're all excellent, and I'm impressed by the quality of the closed headphones in this category now. Many companies are clearly working their butts off to make the best headphone possible. Great times.

 

Thanks for your impressions! I only got to give the P7 a quick listen myself and wasn't really impressed when I did. But it was also in a noisy store, so that sort of ruined it anyway. As for your observations on the M500, I agree with you there. For me, comfort was the reason to not pick the M500. I mean, it's a very comfortable headphone, but just not for extended listening (for me). But your observations have intrigued me to give the P7 a closer listen (several hours, to get a proper impression).

 

And I definitely agree on your observations of the bass in the M500, it's a very well defined tight bass, that reaches very deep when the music asks for it. A very gorgeous bass if you ask me, especially with electronic music.

 

[by the way, received my brown Momentums today, and so far enjoying every minute of it :dt880smile:


Edited by starfly - 10/4/13 at 7:14am
post #542 of 4211
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Originally Posted by TheManko View Post
 

Much to the chagrin of my wallet I went out and bought the Kef M500 and B&W P7 this week. To start with I think both sound better than the Momentum, so to some degree you're actually getting what you pay for with them in terms of sound. What both M500 and P7 do better than the Momentum is bass control. It just feels like the M500 and P7 are stiffer and better dampened constructions, while the Momentum has some resonance that bleed into the mids a bit.

 

The P7 is a huge improvement over the P5, since it now has a more present treble and properly big soundstage. The treble is still slightly dampened, so there's no harshness whatsoever. But it sounds like a more neutral balance than the other B&W headphones. The bass has a bump in it which adds some nice impact and oomph, without becoming ridiculous and overpowered. The bass bump is bigger than the one in the Momentum, so the Sennheiser's remain the more balanced headphone of the two. What the P7 do better though is have a big bass that still feels well controlled, so the mids and highs retain clarity even when there's a huge pulsing bass in the background. This is something the M500 do as well. The M500 seem to have a more linear balance than the Momentum and P7, except with a bump in the deep bass instead of mid bass. So with electronic music you can get a huge pulsing deep bass with the M500 at times, and thanks to the tightness of the sound you still have a wide open soundstage and midrange clarity. Of the three the M500 has more treble and can at times have a hard quality to the highs. There's no sibilance from what I've heard, so they're still nice to listen to over time.

 

Overall the Momentum are of course still a nicely balanced and well done headphone, but personally I like the M500 and P7 more. Between the M500 and P7 I can't decide yet, but I'm leaning toward the P7 since they're more nicely built and are more comfortable. If you had to pick one of the three there's no wrong choice. They're all excellent, and I'm impressed by the quality of the closed headphones in this category now. Many companies are clearly working their butts off to make the best headphone possible. Great times.

 

Thumbs up on this post! 

post #543 of 4211
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Originally Posted by TheManko View Post
 

Much to the chagrin of my wallet I went out and bought the Kef M500 and B&W P7 this week. To start with I think both sound better than the Momentum, so to some degree you're actually getting what you pay for with them in terms of sound. What both M500 and P7 do better than the Momentum is bass control. It just feels like the M500 and P7 are stiffer and better dampened constructions, while the Momentum has some resonance that bleed into the mids a bit.

 

The P7 is a huge improvement over the P5, since it now has a more present treble and properly big soundstage. The treble is still slightly dampened, so there's no harshness whatsoever. But it sounds like a more neutral balance than the other B&W headphones. The bass has a bump in it which adds some nice impact and oomph, without becoming ridiculous and overpowered. The bass bump is bigger than the one in the Momentum, so the Sennheiser's remain the more balanced headphone of the two. What the P7 do better though is have a big bass that still feels well controlled, so the mids and highs retain clarity even when there's a huge pulsing bass in the background. This is something the M500 do as well. The M500 seem to have a more linear balance than the Momentum and P7, except with a bump in the deep bass instead of mid bass. So with electronic music you can get a huge pulsing deep bass with the M500 at times, and thanks to the tightness of the sound you still have a wide open soundstage and midrange clarity. Of the three the M500 has more treble and can at times have a hard quality to the highs. There's no sibilance from what I've heard, so they're still nice to listen to over time.

 

Overall the Momentum are of course still a nicely balanced and well done headphone, but personally I like the M500 and P7 more. Between the M500 and P7 I can't decide yet, but I'm leaning toward the P7 since they're more nicely built and are more comfortable. If you had to pick one of the three there's no wrong choice. They're all excellent, and I'm impressed by the quality of the closed headphones in this category now. Many companies are clearly working their butts off to make the best headphone possible. Great times.

 

Sounds great, I'm looking forward to the P7. I was listening to the Momentum this morning and still annoyed by it's boxy, ill-defined bass and lower mids.

post #544 of 4211
Why were you listening to em? I usually dont even listen to closed cans at home.
post #545 of 4211
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Why were you listening to em? I usually dont even listen to closed cans at home.

 

 

 :confused:

post #546 of 4211

Maybe he's wondering why you still listen to headphones you don't like. 

post #547 of 4211
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post

Why were you listening to em? I usually dont even listen to closed cans at home.

 

Everyone's personal circumstances are different. Maybe they have noisy co-inhabitants or use cans in a noisy environment but do not want the total isolation of IEM, who knows. What a strange post

post #548 of 4211

Spent an hour at Custom-Cable demoing these babies, avoiding the muted Star Trek 2 showing on the screen as have yet to watch it! B&W have completely upped their game with the P7 in sound terms. Actual treble, nicely extended. Not harsh or sibilant. Midrange and vocal tonality is much improved over P5. Spacious sound, moreso than M500 and Momentum to my ears (out of Nexus 4 and rockboxed Clip Zip, still waiting for new iPads to pair with Clas -dB rig). Happy to report the only thing B&W copied over from their previous portable headphone attempts was the killer styling. The sound signature they should have released from the very beginning and merely refined it along the way.

post #549 of 4211
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post
 

Spent an hour at Custom-Cable demoing these babies, avoiding the muted Star Trek 2 showing on the screen as have yet to watch it! B&W have completely upped their game with the P7 in sound terms. Actual treble, nicely extended. Not harsh or sibilant. Midrange and vocal tonality is much improved over P5. Spacious sound, moreso than M500 and Momentum to my ears (out of Nexus 4 and rockboxed Clip Zip, still waiting for new iPads to pair with Clas -dB rig). Happy to report the only thing B&W copied over from their previous portable headphone attempts was the killer styling. The sound signature they should have released from the very beginning and merely refined it along the way.

 

Thanks for your impressions. I'm definitely going to go give the P7's a second closer listen given the positive impressions you guys have gotten.

post #550 of 4211
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

Everyone's personal circumstances are different. Maybe they have noisy co-inhabitants or use cans in a noisy environment but do not want the total isolation of IEM, who knows. What a strange post
It just seems wierd, I never listen to headphones I dislike. I never own headphones for more than a week that I dislike. I only listen to open headphones at home.

I just don't like all the disrespect the momentum is getting because of the kef which really isn't that much better than it.

The momentum looks better, it isolates better, and it doesn't creak like my kef does a little.

The focal spirit one might be my favorite closed headphone for traveling. Those or the ws99.
post #551 of 4211
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post


It just seems wierd, I never listen to headphones I dislike. I never own headphones for more than a week that I dislike. I only listen to open headphones at home.

I just don't like all the disrespect the momentum is getting because of the kef which really isn't that much better than it.

The momentum looks better, it isolates better, and it doesn't creak like my kef does a little.

The focal spirit one might be my favorite closed headphone for traveling. Those or the ws99.

 

I "dislike" my Spider Moonlight headphones... but I just like their weird look!!! LOL!

 

I thought the Kef were better than the Momentums in every aspect... that's how it goes I guess... BUT... BUT... I'm liking the on-ear Momentums though...

post #552 of 4211
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post


It just seems wierd, I never listen to headphones I dislike. I never own headphones for more than a week that I dislike. I only listen to open headphones at home.

I just don't like all the disrespect the momentum is getting because of the kef which really isn't that much better than it.

The momentum looks better, it isolates better, and it doesn't creak like my kef does a little.

The focal spirit one might be my favorite closed headphone for traveling. Those or the ws99.

 

Sound is first to me, tightly followed by comfort. And the KEF is a definite and IMHO significant improvement over the Momentum, especially in the bass and treble. Really hard to understand how someone would call it a subtle improvement, but hey we are all different. I think DACs generally provide subtle differences (provided they are good DACs), of the type I usually have to A/B multiple times to hear. But the KEF immediately strikes me as being a more balanced, refined and open sounding headphone than the Momentum. No disrespect from me though, I really like the Momentum too. But to me, the KEF is enough of an improvement for me to not want to go back to the Momentum. 

Looks is all subjective, I think the Momentum looks classier on it's own but the KEF looks better on the head. Construction wise, it's a tie for me. I love the solid aluminum on the KEF and that it folds (I can put it in my pocket), but I also like the somewhat more durable design of the Momentum, and that the leather doesn't get sweaty like the pleather on the M500 does. 

Isolation is my issue with the KEF, I wish it isolated more. But if better isolation would have sacrificed sound quality in any way, I wouldn't trade. 

 

post #553 of 4211

So nobody else is hearing a weird hollow/cold quality to vocals on the M500??? It's just me?

post #554 of 4211

^ Do you have a specific track you could link to that is exhibiting this for you?

post #555 of 4211
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

So nobody else is hearing a weird hollow/cold quality to vocals on the M500??? It's just me?

 

Nope. To my ears, the midrange of the M500 is ruler flat with just enough warmth. The Momentum though, is overly warm (I like that at times) because of it's thick lower mid/upper bass section. 

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