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post #181 of 4215
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

The treble and detail is all there.

Just because something is quieter doesn't mean it's not there.

Rolled-off doesn't mean it stops existing.

 

Sure, just like if you walked away while you were talking to me, and I eventually can no longer hear you, it does not mean you have stopped talking.

post #182 of 4215
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

I'm concerned about the scales used, especially in the area of sound quality. If the KEF has the highest rating (5=excellent) in your opinion, does it mean that no other current or new headphones is better?

The scoring is in context to the headphones listed here only. So if I hear a better sounding headphone, then the "5" for the M500s will need to be adjusted down to fit the newer better one it.

post #183 of 4215
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

From what I understand the ratings are in the context of "Fashionable Portable Closed-Back" headphones only - and only in the context of the headphones being reviewed and their price/value is taken into consideration - which is probably why Ultrasone Edition 8 isn't in this review. tongue.gif

I used to own the Ed.8s and liked them quite a bit. But I didn't put them here as I don't consider a $1500 headphone as "portable". Funny enough some of these headphones like the KEF M500s, PSB M4U 2 and Momentums sound better to me. I think the Ed. 8s have been surpassed by some of the newer headphones released recently.

post #184 of 4215
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The scoring is in context to the headphones listed here only. So if I hear a better sounding headphone, then the "5" for the M500s will need to be adjusted down to fit the newer better one it.

 

That is the fair approach. The UK hi-fi magazines did this.....where something that got 5 stars the previous year got dropped to 4 when compared to something better that came along for review. It keeps things in proper context and perspective.

post #185 of 4215
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

 

That is the fair approach. The UK hi-fi magazines did this.....where something that got 5 stars the previous year got dropped to 4 when compared to something better that came along for review. It keeps things in proper context and perspective.

I agree. Though it would also be helpful if there were some comparisons to full-size headphones too redface.gif

post #186 of 4215

So is m500 darker compared to momentum and psb?

post #187 of 4215
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Originally Posted by aras View Post

So is m500 darker compared to momentum and psb?

 

To my ears... YES!

post #188 of 4215
Not to my ears...
post #189 of 4215

Cannot agree. The Momentum and M500 are about evens for treble but the mid/upper bass bump in the Momentum is the main differentiator

post #190 of 4215
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

The treble and detail is all there.

Just because something is quieter doesn't mean it's not there.

Rolled-off doesn't mean it stops existing.

 

Sure, just like if you walked away while you were talking to me, and I eventually can no longer hear you, it does not mean you have stopped talking.

Are you trying to be funny? Because you're just coming off as obnoxious. 

Really - rolled off just means it gets quieter until the extremes. It doesn't mean that you can't hear it any more. 

If you can't hear a frequency any longer then it cuts off. 


Edited by GREQ - 8/23/13 at 1:39pm
post #191 of 4215
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I used to own the Ed.8s and liked them quite a bit. But I didn't put them here as I don't consider a $1500 headphone as "portable". Funny enough some of these headphones like the KEF M500s, PSB M4U 2 and Momentums sound better to me. I think the Ed. 8s have been surpassed by some of the newer headphones released recently.

 

Nice to see someone who agrees with me on the ED8s. I definitely think the Momentum sounds better. 

post #192 of 4215

Today I listended to the M500, Momentums and B&W P5 in a store. Not the ideal place to really test out headhpones as it's a bit noisy and none of these are perfect for closing out noise (although out of the 3, the M500 was the worst at isolating you from outside noise).

 

But here are my quick impressions:

 

Comfortwise, the M500 is a clear winner. I barely felt them on my head or ears, so soft are they. And the clamping force is really minimal, yet it still clamps enough that it will properly cover your ears. The P5 was really tight, didn't like that (although you could probably stretch it a bit to make it less tight) and the Momentum was in between, but also a bit on the tight side. I have a fairly long and narrow head when looked at from the front (or back). Otherwise, with the M500 and P5 it was easy to get a decent fit on my ears, whereas with the Momentum I had to fidget a bit before it was somewhat comfortable (the Momentum is not really an over-ear type headphone, it's more semi over-ear/on-ear, the cups just aren't big enough. My ears are about 63mm in length).

 

Soundwise, well again it's hard to tell properly and I'm not sure yet which one I liked the most. The sound of the M500 seemed more neutral to me, especially when compared to the Momentum or P5. The Momentum had a bit more bass presence and the mids were well defined with neutral treble. The P5 also had a bit more bass presence with somewhat forward mids and neutral treble. I would say I liked the sound of the P5 the least though. For me it would be a battle between the M500 or the Momentum. Comfortwise I would definitely want to go for the M500. Soundwise I'm not completely sure yet, but so far a slight preference for the Momentum, as overall the music just sounded better (but that's mostly just my personal preference. If you're looking for a more neutral headphone, you'd probably want to go for the M500).

 

The P5 was easiest to drive from my Rockboxed iPod Classic. But the M500 and Momentums definitely need an amp, they will most likely come more alive with a proper amp. That's why the next time I go test them, I'm definitely going to bring an amp, or will ask to borrow one in the store (they had a few amps laying around) and ask for a quiet listening room and really test those babies out.

 

In terms of build quality, they all seem sturdy. I definitely prefer the design of the M500 the most though, they look 'cool' :)

post #193 of 4215
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Originally Posted by starfly View Post

Today I listended to the M500, Momentums and B&W P5 in a store. Not the ideal place to really test out headhpones as it's a bit noisy and none of these are perfect for closing out noise (although out of the 3, the M500 was the worst at isolating you from outside noise).

 

But here are my quick impressions:

 

Comfortwise, the M500 is a clear winner. I barely felt them on my head or ears, so soft are they. And the clamping force is really minimal, yet it still clamps enough that it will properly cover your ears. The P5 was really tight, didn't like that (although you could probably stretch it a bit to make it less tight) and the Momentum was in between, but also a bit on the tight side. I have a fairly long and narrow head when looked at from the front (or back). Otherwise, with the M500 and P5 it was easy to get a decent fit on my ears, whereas with the Momentum I had to fidget a bit before it was somewhat comfortable (the Momentum is not really an over-ear type headphone, it's more semi over-ear/on-ear, the cups just aren't big enough. My ears are about 63mm in length).

 

Soundwise, well again it's hard to tell properly and I'm not sure yet which one I liked the most. The sound of the M500 seemed more neutral to me, especially when compared to the Momentum or P5. The Momentum had a bit more bass presence and the mids were well defined with neutral treble. The P5 also had a bit more bass presence with somewhat forward mids and neutral treble. I would say I liked the sound of the P5 the least though. For me it would be a battle between the M500 or the Momentum. Comfortwise I would definitely want to go for the M500. Soundwise I'm not completely sure yet, but so far a slight preference for the Momentum, as overall the music just sounded better (but that's mostly just my personal preference. If you're looking for a more neutral headphone, you'd probably want to go for the M500).

 

The P5 was easiest to drive from my Rockboxed iPod Classic. But the M500 and Momentums definitely need an amp, they will most likely come more alive with a proper amp. That's why the next time I go test them, I'm definitely going to bring an amp, or will ask to borrow one in the store (they had a few amps laying around) and ask for a quiet listening room and really test those babies out.

 

In terms of build quality, they all seem sturdy. I definitely prefer the design of the M500 the most though, they look 'cool' :)

Nice impressions.  At first i slightly prefered thew momentum but after a while, the momentum sounds a little weird.  If you loosen the clamp on the kef, youll get a more airy sound, and slightly tighter bass.

post #194 of 4215

Very interesting and informative overview MacedonianHero! 

 

I bought the Sony MDR-1R twice and am in the process of selling the second pair. I really wanted to like them because they are so extremely comfortable but the sound signature for me was just too "unexciting/passive" (very hard to explain, the music for me did just not have the spark that it had with other headphones - even very neutral ones). Maybe that was because high/low extension was lacking).

 

Fully agree your thoughts on the Momentum. A very nice headphone. The Momentum on-ear is also nice, but not as refined (bass is a little bit muddy) as the original Momentum. Still nice.

 

Sorry, just some late-night rumblings from Switzerland :)   

post #195 of 4215
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Originally Posted by FriedRice25 View Post

Very interesting and informative overview MacedonianHero! 

 

I bought the Sony MDR-1R twice and am in the process of selling the second pair. I really wanted to like them because they are so extremely comfortable but the sound signature for me was just too "unexciting/passive" (very hard to explain, the music for me did just not have the spark that it had with other headphones - even very neutral ones). Maybe that was because high/low extension was lacking).

 

Fully agree your thoughts on the Momentum. A very nice headphone. The Momentum on-ear is also nice, but not as refined (bass is a little bit muddy) as the original Momentum. Still nice.

 

Sorry, just some late-night rumblings from Switzerland :)   

I know what you mean!

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