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post #421 of 524
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

Sorry for the delay but I am done with the modded TF10 and UERM universal. I will have them shipped out today. It would have been yesterday but got delayed a bit.

First off I would like to thank james444 for providing us with this tour and eke2k6 for organizing it.
My setup with all listening is done with a Concero HP connected to my laptop. 

The TFRM is definitely a change from the stock TF10. I sold mine a few weeks back so it's a shame I couldn't do a direct comparison but it's different enough where it's obvious. The TFRM's goal is to be closer to the sound of the UERM and while it is closer there is still a large difference in terms of sound. I had a hard time listening to the TFRM however. The issue I had is with the midrange of the TFRM. It sounded very strange as it's almost as if the bass is there and the treble is there and then the midrange was forgotten and just added it in as a last minute effort that didn't do much. For lack of a better term the midrange is very wonky or hollow as another member termed it. Midrange aside the bass and treble is better and closer to the UERM. While the bass doesn't reach the lowest of lows it is nice in quantity and quality for someone who appreciates a more neutral signature. The treble is also nice. It's a smooth and extended treble similar to the UERM as well. It's not smooth as in lacking details but rather lacking a peak on top that makes things sibilant. 

The universal UERM I would say is close to the custom UERM but everything toned down a dial. This should not come as a surprise since my custom UERM is fitted for my ears while the universal..is not. That being said the UERM is a very good sounding iem. It has quality from top down as should any iem at this price range. The bass again is quality over quantity but it does roll off a bit as does most BA earphones I've heard or owned but that roll off is not significant to me. The quality is near the best I've heard. The mid range is very detailed, smooth and transparent. The biggest thing about the UERM is the treble is that is is a bit different than most iems with this kind of signature. It's more smooth than peaky where sibilance is an issue. Rather it's more smooth but still very transparent. The clarity of the UERM is extremely good and among the best i have heard or owned. The stage of the UERM is impressive for an iem but it's also your typical left and right but that's how iem's are. Lastly tonality as you can probably guess is close to neutral but leaning towards a bright signature.

If I were to quantify things I would say in terms of how close the UERM and TFRM is I would say a 6. In terms of how close they are on a technical level it would be a 5. I would buy the UERM (well..I already have the custom UERM so it's a bit pointless) over the TFRM at 10x the price for sure. However diminishing returns kicks in here for sure so that's something to consider.

Great comparison. I agree about the TFRM's wonky mids.

Would you say the custom UERM differs from the universal UERM in treble response?
post #422 of 524
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Great comparison. I agree about the TFRM's wonky mids.

Would you say the custom UERM differs from the universal UERM in treble response?

 

I think the wonkiness of the TFRM comes from trying to simulate the UERM's FR, but without the UERM's hardware or driver placements. 


Edited by eke2k6 - 1/22/14 at 9:22am
post #423 of 524
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I think the wonkiness of the TFRM comes from trying to simulate the UERM's FR, but without the UERM's hardware or driver placements. 

I think so too. I'm wondering if the mods result in an unequal increase in distortion between the right and left channels.
post #424 of 524

I have them in my greedy little hands. You fools, you'll never see them again :veryevil:

post #425 of 524
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Great comparison. I agree about the TFRM's wonky mids.

Would you say the custom UERM differs from the universal UERM in treble response?

 

Sorry I didn't see this until now. I would say the treble response is very similar but just a bit more extended. The difference is very slight however. The treble of the universal UERM is quite good.

post #426 of 524
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I have them in my greedy little hands. You fools, you'll never see them again :veryevil:

 

Look inside the UERM shells. Those are tracking devices, not crossovers.

post #427 of 524
Can I ask where the UERM universal demo came from? I want one...never liked the idea of customs.
post #428 of 524
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Look inside the UERM shells. Those are tracking devices, not crossovers.
anatode pls dont pul out the battery until we meet.. biggrin.gif
post #429 of 524
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Can I ask where the UERM universal demo came from? I want one...never liked the idea of customs.

Trust me, you don't want one shaped like this.
post #430 of 524
I tried the demo at the LA meet last year; I'd be quite happy with it.
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Trust me, you don't want one shaped like this.
post #431 of 524
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Can I ask where the UERM universal demo came from? I want one...never liked the idea of customs.

 

You can ask, but I can't tell ;-) I wished they'd offer an "official" universal version though.

 

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Trust me, you don't want one shaped like this.

 

That's what he said.

post #432 of 524

Me too. I have no desire to go custom; I want to be able to share my experience with my friends so they can see how good sound can be, plus I feel like customs would take more time to insert and remove, which isn't really convenient for someone like me who will be taking them out frequently.

 

Ah well, I'm kind of giving up on higher end stuff anyways; the diminishing returns just makes it so not worth it after a certain point. Just got a pair of portapros and they're getting more ear time than my TF10s lately...

 

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You can ask, but I can't tell ;-) I wished they'd offer an "official" universal version though.

 

post #433 of 524

Actually I find customs easier to insert and remove than universals provided you have a good fit on them.

post #434 of 524
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

Look inside the UERM shells. Those are tracking devices, not crossovers.

 

 

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anatode pls dont pul out the battery until we meet.. biggrin.gif

 

My lair is encased in a Faraday Cage to thwart the NSA and I will wrap the 'phones in ERS paper and Tin Foil - no one will ever know..

post #435 of 524

I guess I am going to receive package on Monday.

 

it supposed to arrive Thursday but UPS was being Stupid.

 

I will keep update when it arrives 

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