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Interesting observations, considering that the TFRM's measured frequency response is pretty close to the UERM's.

I feel like it's the lateral variances in FR that cause more of these kinds of issues, you know 50-100hz here and there.

For me, I had so many fit issues with the TFRM to even get even sound out of both channels than I wouldn't put some sort of a fit related mismatch out of the question for the target sound.

They were just a lot more harsh and brittle than the UERM demo. And they were still impressive sounding of all things.
Edited by vwinter - 1/14/14 at 8:48pm
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I'm just blown away by the intelligence in this thread. 

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I'm just blown away by the intelligence in this thread. 

 

1,400 more posts and you'll be able to tap into the Headphoneus Supremus shared/hive mind. Frequency graphs will instantly seem like child's play, and you'll get 20% discounts at every major electronics retailer.

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1,400 more posts and you'll be able to tap into the Headphoneus Supremus shared/hive mind. Frequency graphs will instantly seem like child's play, and you'll get 20% discounts at every major electronics retailer.

graphs don't even begin to explain the beauty of some of the truly great headphones. 

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I'm just blown away by the intelligence in this thread. 

 

1,400 more posts and you'll be able to tap into the Headphoneus Supremus shared/hive mind. Frequency graphs will instantly seem like child's play, and you'll get 20% discounts at every major electronics retailer.


Soon I shall see for myself if the legends are true
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graphs don't even begin to explain the beauty of some of the truly great headphones. 

 

Because you are a mere "100+ Head-fi'er". The gods have not yet smiled on you.

 

 

 

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Soon I shall see for myself if the legends are true
 

I hope you're not allergic to confetti, strippers, and blow.

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1,400 more posts and you'll be able to tap into the Headphoneus Supremus shared/hive mind. Frequency graphs will instantly seem like child's play, and you'll get 20% discounts at every major electronics retailer.

What? I never got a 20% discount! Even after hitting +3000 posts! Well, I did get some free things for reviews though...

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What? I never got a 20% discount! Even after hitting +3000 posts! Well, I did get some free things for reviews though...


But did you apply for the Headphoneus Supremus Badge of Honor? With the code to access the Headphoneus Supremus Chatroom here on headfi?

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But did you apply for the Headphoneus Supremus Badge of Honor? With the code to access the Headphoneus Supremus Chatroom here on headfi?

Oh oh! Where is that?! ;p

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Oh oh! Where is that?! ;p


Just send all you personal details as well as a naked picture to Jude (copy Currawong) and you will be set.

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Just send all you personal details as well as a naked picture to Jude (copy Currawong) and you will be set.

Took a little but if courage but totally worth it. Don't miss out!
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Took a little but if courage but totally worth it. Don't miss out!

 

It was easy for me. I'm proud of my blessings.

 

*clears throat*

 

Ok, gentlemen. Let's not ruin the sanctity and intelligent nature of the conversation in this thread.


Edited by eke2k6 - 1/21/14 at 8:41pm
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I'm just blown away by the intelligence in this thread. 

 

Glad to see my esteemed fellow Headphonei Supremi go out of their way to make you feel at ease. :rolleyes:

 

 

Sooo... for the sake of sanctity and intelligence, here's an expatriate head-fier's recent take on the Rin modded TF10:

 

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TF10 Rin modded

Less sensitive than the UERMs.  Needs more gain even on my UHA6Smk2 high gain.  Sounds much better than the normal TF10, more balanced.  Not quite as clear though, a slight hint of warmth but good detail.  Bass feels more linear than normal TF10 but doesn’t have the impact of the TF10s.  Imaging is a bit hazier.  Bass guitar on Hotel California has harder time resolving itself, tone is off.  Tonally more relaxed in a way I think some would find more appealing than the UERM.  A bit Westonish.  It is also a bit bass light, this track is mastered bass heavy. A very solid effort with respect to tonal balance.  However, overall less refined and articulate in resolving nuances and detailed transients.  At times, there’s a bit of an uneven sort of resonance or decay which lends to the inarticulate sensation.  While there is less treble zing and bass boom which is better for those wanting a more relaxed fatigue free listen, sibilance on Glen Frey’s vocals are more pronounced.  I do think there is an upper mid grain that is over accentuated or just sounds harsher due to lack of resolution.  This came to be more prevalent on cymbals w/ some Scorpions tracks.  All said and done, I have to commend the overall effort, sounds less refined than the TF10 I sold, but more balanced and neutral.  I think the more natural sweetness of the TF10's timbre is lost though as well. 

Post TF10 listen using UERM demos-overall signature is much smoother and refined.  All the notes sound more complete and fuller.  The sonic impression is more akin to comparing WAV files to MP3s.  Imaging and SS is much more precise and clarity is better.  Sibilance on cymbals and vocals are much more natural too.  There are also more macro and micro dynamics being reproduced.  Compared to the TF10 experiment, the UERM just makes everything sound more real and ‘there’ but showing more of what is actually on the recording.  IT’s just extracting more information and laying it out for the listener.  This is no small feat by the way, I almost bought the JH13FP but ultimately felt the UERM was still more resolving and balanced despite other strengths the JH13FP had like imaging and clarity.  This really speaks to UE's tuning and inherent design superiority with the UERM.
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Sorry for the delay but I am done with the modded TF10 and UERM universal. I will have them shipped out today. It would have been yesterday but got delayed a bit.

 

First off I would like to thank james444 for providing us with this tour and eke2k6 for organizing it.

My setup with all listening is done with a Concero HP connected to my laptop. 

 

The TFRM is definitely a change from the stock TF10. I sold mine a few weeks back so it's a shame I couldn't do a direct comparison but it's different enough where it's obvious. The TFRM's goal is to be closer to the sound of the UERM and while it is closer there is still a large difference in terms of sound. I had a hard time listening to the TFRM however. The issue I had is with the midrange of the TFRM. It sounded very strange as it's almost as if the bass is there and the treble is there and then the midrange was forgotten and just added it in as a last minute effort that didn't do much. For lack of a better term the midrange is very wonky or hollow as another member termed it. Midrange aside the bass and treble is better and closer to the UERM. While the bass doesn't reach the lowest of lows it is nice in quantity and quality for someone who appreciates a more neutral signature. The treble is also nice. It's a smooth and extended treble similar to the UERM as well. It's not smooth as in lacking details but rather lacking a peak on top that makes things sibilant. 

 

The universal UERM I would say is close to the custom UERM but everything toned down a dial. This should not come as a surprise since my custom UERM is fitted for my ears while the universal..is not. That being said the UERM is a very good sounding iem. It has quality from top down as should any iem at this price range. The bass again is quality over quantity but it does roll off a bit as does most BA earphones I've heard or owned but that roll off is not significant to me. The quality is near the best I've heard. The mid range is very detailed, smooth and transparent. The biggest thing about the UERM is the treble is that is is a bit different than most iems with this kind of signature. It's more smooth than peaky where sibilance is an issue. Rather it's more smooth but still very transparent. The clarity of the UERM is extremely good and among the best i have heard or owned. The stage of the UERM is impressive for an iem but it's also your typical left and right but that's how iem's are. Lastly tonality as you can probably guess is close to neutral but leaning towards a bright signature.

 

If I were to quantify things I would say in terms of how close the UERM and TFRM is I would say a 6. In terms of how close they are on a technical level it would be a 5. I would buy the UERM (well..I already have the custom UERM so it's a bit pointless) over the TFRM at 10x the price for sure. However diminishing returns kicks in here for sure so that's something to consider.

post #420 of 524
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Thanks, rawrster and James. Both sets of impressions have been added to the 2nd post.

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