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The ue900 and uerm are not close in sound signature at all. The us900 is tuned more for consumers and has a warm signature to them.

I am aware. But UE900 was based off of UERM for it's technologies.

post #347 of 524

Alright Gents:

 

AKG 3003 and the UERM

 

I don't think this one is about one being better quality. For my tastes, I prefer the 3003. I could see some preferring the UERM.
 
The UERM actually sounds more colored to me. It's thicker, and has a more present and immediate, powerful presentation. I found the 3003 to to be bigger, more open and able to breath, more air, and a larger soundstage. The 3003 is a bit more laid back, but the timbral accuracy and organic presentation win me over. Think sweet purity. The 3003 is a smidgeon brighter, but not in a bad way. I feel the UERM a tiny but stuffy sometimes with its surprisingly robust bass, and more immediate presentation. I find the 3003 to be a bit more accurate and refined all the way across the FR. And that to me, is more engaging. I am swept into the purity of the music with the 3003. I connect with it more. It's a more transparent window into the music, and pulls on your emotions moreso than the UERM. But I think the fun presentation of the UERM would call a lot of people's names. Depending on your genres, you may prefer that dash of color and immediacy. I like huge, immersive soundstages, with breathing room. That's the 3003 for me. 
 
The UERM isolates more, and has a very secure fit, but it's also a lot to cram in your ears. I prefer the much smaller, and to me, more comfortable and smaller footprint of the 3003 on my ear. The 3003 have no security issues - as in it's still a tight fit. Just not too tight. I don't need to adjust them like I do the 1plus2. 
 
Those are the biggest differences. 
 
 
 The UERM is like being in an isolated cabin, in the middle of the forest. The forest is green, lush, and teeming with life. It's a bit overgrown, and the greenery is everywhere, life at its fullest. You can hear the animals, and the birds calling out. It's the summertime and and you live in a moderately sized log cabin in the woods. It's warm, but never repressively so - the canopy cover ensures cooler temperatures, and you rarely even break a sweat. Life is good, like is powerful, a force all around you. It's uplifting. 
 
The 3003 is in the dead of winter. All the greenery is gone, and replaced by trunks and branches of trees everywhere. Fresh, pure snow has been falling lightly for days, and a complete blanket of snow covers the ground and tree branches. In your cabin, you have a large fireplace burning wood you chopped earlier that afternoon. The fire warms your large cabin to a nice cozy and comfortable temperature as you're wrapped up in a cashmere blanket in the loveseat, soaking in the warmth of the hearth. Your cabin is filled with windows. Floor-to-ceiling plate glass windows on all sides of the cabin, and a large glass observation skylight takes up a giant space in your roof. At night, the purity of the snow gleaming in the moonlight, while content and warm, moves the soul. The dark trees, cast long, dark shadows against the brilliant white snow. White/black, cold/warmth, the emotions are heightened peacefully, filled with juxtaposition. A few bright planets and some twinkling stars that peer through, remind you of the size of the universe itself. Life is precious, life is sweet, life is pure, and it's the most beautiful creation this universe can offer. 

Edited by SoundFreaq - 10/24/13 at 5:42pm
post #348 of 524
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Alright Gents:

 

AKG 3003 and the UERM

 

I love the way you write. Thanks for the write up!

post #349 of 524
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I love the way you write. Thanks for the write up!


Agreed, please review more often!

post #350 of 524
Good God man, you are a serious author. Kudos and thanks for a fantastic comparo!!
post #351 of 524
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Alright Gents:

AKG 3003 and the UERM

I don't think this one is about one being better quality. For my tastes, I prefer the 3003. I could see some preferring the UERM.
 
The UERM actually sounds more colored to me. It's thicker, and has a more present and immediate, powerful presentation. I found the 3003 to to be bigger, more open and able to breath, more air, and a larger soundstage. The 3003 is a bit more laid back, but the timbral accuracy and organic presentation win me over. Think sweet purity. The 3003 is a smidgeon brighter, but not in a bad way. I feel the UERM a tiny but stuffy sometimes with its surprisingly robust bass, and more immediate presentation. I find the 3003 to be a bit more accurate and refined all the way across the FR. And that to me, is more engaging. I am swept into the purity of the music with the 3003. I connect with it more. It's a more transparent window into the music, and pulls on your emotions moreso than the UERM. But I think the fun presentation of the UERM would call a lot of people's names. Depending on your genres, you may prefer that dash of color and immediacy. I like huge, immersive soundstages, with breathing room. That's the 3003 for me. 
 
The UERM isolates more, and has a very secure fit, but it's also a lot to cram in your ears. I prefer the much smaller, and to me, more comfortable and smaller footprint of the 3003 on my ear. The 3003 have no security issues - as in it's still a tight fit. Just not too tight. I don't need to adjust them like I do the 1plus2. 
 
Those are the biggest differences. 
 
 
 The UERM is like being in an isolated cabin, in the middle of the forest. The forest is green, lush, and teeming with life. It's a bit overgrown, and the greenery is everywhere, life at its fullest. You can hear the animals, and the birds calling out. It's the summertime and and you live in a moderately sized log cabin in the woods. It's warm, but never repressively so - the canopy cover ensures cooler temperatures, and you rarely even break a sweat. Life is good, like is powerful, a force all around you. It's uplifting. 
 
The 3003 is in the dead of winter. All the greenery is gone, and replaced by trunks and branches of trees everywhere. Fresh, pure snow has been falling lightly for days, and a complete blanket of snow covers the ground and tree branches. In your cabin, you have a large fireplace burning wood you chopped earlier that afternoon. The fire warms your large cabin to a nice cozy and comfortable temperature as you're wrapped up in a cashmere blanket in the loveseat, soaking in the warmth of the hearth. Your cabin is filled with windows. Floor-to-ceiling plate glass windows on all sides of the cabin, and a large glass observation skylight takes up a giant space in your roof. At night, the purity of the snow gleaming in the moonlight, while content and warm, moves the soul. The dark trees, cast long, dark shadows against the brilliant white snow. White/black, cold/warmth, the emotions are heightened peacefully, filled with juxtaposition. A few bright planets and some twinkling stars that peer through, remind you of the size of the universe itself. Life is precious, life is sweet, life is pure, and it's the most beautiful creation this universe can offer. 

You write well, but I'm not sure I have any more of a idea about how these two iems sound lol. Which has more bass and/or sub-bass? Do the K3003 and UERM have differently placed treble peaks? And what about the mids? Thanks for your impressions!
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

You write well, but I'm not sure I have any more of a idea about how these two iems sound lol. Which has more bass and/or sub-bass? Do the K3003 and UERM have differently placed treble peaks? And what about the mids? Thanks for your impressions!

SF writes like me if I didn't write like I had ADD, that is to say coherently and well. Some people just do better with visual imagery. An explanation of FR comparisons helps me imagine the balance. Visual imagery helps me imagine the sound around me and how it feels.
Edited by vwinter - 10/24/13 at 6:42pm
post #353 of 524
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


You write well, but I'm not sure I have any more of a idea about how these two iems sound lol. Which has more bass and/or sub-bass? Do the K3003 and UERM have differently placed treble peaks? And what about the mids? Thanks for your impressions!

 

All the information is in there, you just have to understand I'm presenting it a different way, and how that ties to the emotion and feeling of the phone. Isn't music ultimately feeling? My reviews are meant to be pieced together and distilled from a blend of technical talk, laid on top of lavish emotional descriptions to help paint a picture of the earphone as a whole. But this being a comparison, I hone in on the differences of the two. If this were an evaluation about a single phone, I would delve deeper into more details about sub/mid-bass. Does that make sense?

 

So about the bass, I said the UERM is more robust and voluptuous. The fact that I did not comment about one being stronger in sub-bass or mid-bass means there was nothing major there or noteworthy enough. They both dig deep and have a nice punch. The UERM is more robust and colored. 

 

I talked about how the 3003 was more refined and organic all the was across the FR. So that would be the biggest difference in the mids. Again, the UERM is more colored and immediate in the midrange, but the 3003 is more accurate and organic, and a bit bigger and relaxed due to the soundstage. Bass too follows this same convention. While the UERM is more voluptuous, the 3003 bass is a bit more accurate, with nice texture, and more space to breath. Take that to the highs as well. 

 

I mentioned the 3003 is a bit brighter up top. I would say from about 8K and up, there is a small and noticeable difference that the 3003 has more treble by just a db or two. I think there's a touch more energy at 9-10k on the 3003, but it's negligible. And to my ears, more accurate. Even bright material on the UERM is pretty polite. 

 

Hope that provides some clarification. : )

post #354 of 524
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SF writes like me if I didn't write like I had ADD, that is to say coherently and well. Some people just do better with visual imagery. An explanation of FR comparisons helps me imagine the balance. Visual imagery helps me imagine the sound around me and how it feels.

I appreciate the artistic merits of visual imagery, but it doesn't really translate to other people in a meaningful way. One person's serene cabin getaway is another's evil dead nightmare. tongue.gif I can think of a few iems that I'd fit into the latter category even after reading some rather beautiful prose...
post #355 of 524
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I appreciate the artistic merits of visual imagery, but it doesn't really translate to other people in a meaningful way. One person's serene cabin getaway is another's evil dead nightmare. tongue.gif I can think of a few iems that I'd fit into the latter category even after reading some rather beautiful prose...

Now you're just making assumptions for other people. tongue.gif I think he qualified what he feels about those images rather well.

I feel like this is gonna be one of those agree to disagree situations lol.
post #356 of 524
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I appreciate the artistic merits of visual imagery, but it doesn't really translate to other people in a meaningful way. One person's serene cabin getaway is another's evil dead nightmare. tongue.gif I can think of a few iems that I'd fit into the latter category even after reading some rather beautiful prose...

Soundfreaq has done really well in creating a vivid image of a log cabin and its surroundings. However, I have to admit that this doesn't sound like anything to me.

 

I mostly hear sounds. I don't see, smell, or taste sounds, though I can feel them, sometimes.

 

Analogies are useful things but things are easily lost in subjective translation, and an indirect description misses the subtle nuances.

 

It isn't very useful for someone to tell me what I should feel.  I feel my own emotions, so it's more helpful if someone just tells me what they sound like so that I know what I'll hear.

 

I'm guessing that I'm in the minority of Head-Fi, though, so by no means am I suggesting he change his style.  Different things for different people.


Edited by higbvuyb - 10/24/13 at 9:55pm
post #357 of 524
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I appreciate the artistic merits of visual imagery, but it doesn't really translate to other people me in a meaningful way.

 

Fixed that for you. Let's remain open-minded and tolerant, shall we? There's room enough for everyone's personal approach to music in here.

post #358 of 524
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Fixed that for you. Let's remain open-minded and tolerant, shall we? There's room enough for everyone's personal approach to music in here.

I appreciate your input James. I mean that because one person experiences a feeling, it doesn't mean someone else will experience the same feeling. Visual imagery is useful in learning about a person and how that person experiences life, or audio in this case. But it doesn't convey how much bass the K3003 has compared to the UERM.
I hope I don't come off as close minded; I find my comments constructive in that a more literal approach will be more helpful to others in understanding how these iems compare.
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What I gleaned from SF's artful description was the that, compared to the UERM, the K3003 has a more vivid, contrast-rich presentation.  I didn't get the sense that he was aiming to compare specific frequency bands (mid bass, upper treble, etc).  My (custom fit) UERM arrived a couple of days ago and I've been listening to it non-stop.  I'm getting accustomed to the nuances before commenting on them (in the appropriate thread).. but I can see where SF is coming from.  The UERM does have a "nondescript" quality to the way it presents itself.  It's very engaging.. but it's smooth, even-keeled, non-'showy' manner doesn't go out of its way to try and impress you.  I get the sense the K3003's presentation, while neutral, is seemingly more "attention grabbing" and eye opening.

 

It's going to be fun comparing the UERM, JH13.. and the (touring) Fitear F111.

post #360 of 524
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


I appreciate your input James. I mean that because one person experiences a feeling, it doesn't mean someone else will experience the same feeling. Visual imagery is useful in learning about a person and how that person experiences life, or audio in this case. But it doesn't convey how much bass the K3003 has compared to the UERM.
 

 

It's like you missed my reply entirely, so I'll go ahead and quote myself. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post
 

 

All the information is in there, you just have to understand I'm presenting it a different way, and how that ties to the emotion and feeling of the phone. Isn't music ultimately feeling? My reviews are meant to be pieced together and distilled from a blend of technical talk, laid on top of lavish emotional descriptions to help paint a picture of the earphone as a whole. But this being a comparison, I hone in on the differences of the two. If this were an evaluation about a single phone, I would delve deeper into more details about sub/mid-bass. Does that make sense?

 

So about the bass, I said the UERM is more robust and voluptuous. The fact that I did not comment about one being stronger in sub-bass or mid-bass means there was nothing major there or noteworthy enough. They both dig deep and have a nice punch. The UERM is more robust and colored. 

 

I talked about how the 3003 was more refined and organic all the was across the FR. So that would be the biggest difference in the mids. Again, the UERM is more colored and immediate in the midrange, but the 3003 is more accurate and organic, and a bit bigger and relaxed due to the soundstage. Bass too follows this same convention. While the UERM is more voluptuous, the 3003 bass is a bit more accurate, with nice texture, and more space to breath. Take that to the highs as well. 

 

I mentioned the 3003 is a bit brighter up top. I would say from about 8K and up, there is a small and noticeable difference that the 3003 has more treble by just a db or two. I think there's a touch more energy at 9-10k on the 3003, but it's negligible. And to my ears, more accurate. Even bright material on the UERM is pretty polite. 

 

Hope that provides some clarification. : )

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