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post #31 of 441
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

I don't think Rin's R&D expense should be included in this figure. However, I am curious to understand if this is a trivial mod (i.e., any other Head-Fier could perform it if they had sufficient gumption) as you have implied or something more involving. Rin's site says "The IEM has been extensively modified from its crossover network scheme to its acoustic damping characteristics, so that the consequential tonality closely resembles the sound of UERM. As the rear part of the housing has been cracked open and completely ripped apart"

 

So obviously, it doesn't sound like going to a hobby store and cutting pieces of foam with scissors to stick on something - well at least the acoustic resistance piece in front seems simple enough. However, changing the crossover network at least requires fine soldering skills which most on HF will not be able to do. I can't really say as it's not entirely clear what the modifications entail. Can anyone tell us?

This is a really good point. The Rin mod hasn't really been proven feasible by anyone other than Rin, so this might just be a one trick pony without any practical applicability to Head-fiers in general. I guess it could just be an interesting side note for people obsessed with BA type drivers. Not to mention I doubt we'll ever see the Triple-Fi back down to $99 ever again. It was $99 when? like three Black Friday's ago? Do they even have Black Friday in Europe eke2k?

post #32 of 441
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Neat comparison.

We're all clear that any implication that the UERM is a retuned triple-fi is completely, totally wrong (different drivers, as was established on changstar), right?

That doesn't mean they can't sound similar with enough modding, of course.

 

How different are the drivers out of curiosity? Like totally different specs or just different part numbers? 

post #33 of 441
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Do they even have Black Friday in Europe eke2k?

 

Black Friday type sales are illegal in the EU.

post #34 of 441
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

This is a really good point. The Rin mod hasn't really been proven feasible by anyone other than Rin, so this might just be a one trick pony without any practical applicability to Head-fiers in general. I guess it could just be an interesting side note for people obsessed with BA type drivers. Not to mention I doubt we'll ever see the Triple-Fi back down to $99 ever again. It was $99 when? like three Black Friday's ago? Do they even have Black Friday in Europe eke2k?

 

I think we're missing the point of the tour.

 

Rin stated a while back that the FR of the TF10 looked very much like the UERM, and getting the two to sound alike would be a matter of simple modifications. James444 took him up on the offer, and Rin proceeded with his mods.

 

It's not meant to be a second coming of the Kramer Mod, rather more like Rin backing up his assertions. The tour is meant to get some sort of consensus on whether or not Rin can make a $99 iem sound like the $1K product from the same company, going by the FR.

post #35 of 441
Cool. Does everybody know that the UERM was a total flop with its target audience, audio engineers doing studio monitoring and mastering? It's actually audiophiles who like it and keep it afloat. Otherwise, UE would have called it a dud and dropped it from their lineup.

That's what a UE rep told me, at any rate.
post #36 of 441
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I don't think he was saying that it's something that every head-fi'er should (or could) take on. He said that it could be done in place of whatever UE was doing with the TF10 in the first place.

 

Spot-on. Thanks for helping out a non-native speaker with a woefully inadequate grasp of the English language. biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Ahh, I see. That would be cool if UE could release a tweaked low-cost version of the UERM. I doubt it would sell well though. I don't think the UERM's signature (I own one and I like it for certain reasons) would be desirable for most neophytes.

 

Well, suffice to say the UERM are among my very favorite IEMs, and I can easily imagine that several tour members will end up liking them.

 

Btw, here's something you posted over at your site some time ago:

 

purrin:

No other transducer reminds me as much as the 009 as the UERM. The 007 is close because it's part of the same family, but tonally, the 009 is quite different. The UERM, especially when amped, really reminds me of the 009.

 

Which makes me think that a tweaked low-cost version of the UERM would intrigue quite a few folks here. That said, I personally am quite sceptical about the TFRM sounding like the UERM, even if FR graphs are close. I've heard the stock TF10 and UERM side by side and highly doubt that any kind of modding can really transform one into the other. But I'm keeping an open mind about the outcome of this little experiment, and if a majority of participants end up hearing them as (almost) identical, then kudos to Rin.

 

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

This is a really good point. The Rin mod hasn't really been proven feasible by anyone other than Rin, so this might just be a one trick pony without any practical applicability to Head-fiers in general.

 

Read Rin's blog post. It states: "a relevant modification guide will be presented after the tour.".

 

I actually asked him in PM whether an "ordinary" DIYer could do this mod, and he replied: "I think ordinary DIYers can easily carry the modification out as long as they are capable of soldering SMDs.". Which means, I can't. tongue.gif

 

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Black Friday type sales are illegal in the EU.

 

Yeah, they shut down Amazon UK for that reason last November. wink.gif

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I think we're missing the point of the tour.

 

Rin stated a while back that the FR of the TF10 looked very much like the UERM, and getting the two to sound alike would be a matter of simple modifications. James444 took him up on the offer, and Rin proceeded with his mods.

 

It's not meant to be a second coming of the Kramer Mod, rather more like Rin backing up his assertions. The tour is meant to get some sort of consensus on whether or not Rin can make a $99 iem sound like the $1K product from the same company, going by the FR.

 

I know why I wanted you for this thread. beerchug.gif

post #37 of 441
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post  Cool. Does everybody know that the UERM was a total flop with its target audience, audio engineers doing studio monitoring and mastering? It's actually audiophiles who like it and keep it afloat. Otherwise, UE would have called it a dud and dropped it from their lineup.

 

So does that mean that the folks at Capitol Records just hear (or do things) differently from other audio engineers? confused.gif After all, their personnel did dictate the voicing of the UERM. Perhaps more likely was that it was a dud because most people still do their work with studio monitors and don't feel the absolute need for a product like this.

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post  Yeah, they shut down Amazon UK for that reason last November. wink.gif

 

That sucks. But I guess I'm used to living with Black Friday these days as well.

post #38 of 441
Interesting tour. I have both iem's though I didn't pay the mentioned price for either. I'll just say I won't rage too hard if the listener's conclusions come close to the aforementioned premise. Happy listening. smily_headphones1.gif
post #39 of 441

Who said the TF10 didn't cost nearly as much as the discounted price of the UERM?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ultimate-Ears-Pro-Earphones-Triple-Fi-10-TF10PRO-Japan-Import-w-/271230455794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f26984ff2

 


Edited by music_4321 - 7/19/13 at 10:49am
post #40 of 441
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Who said the TF10 didn't cost nearly as much as the discounted price of the UERM?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ultimate-Ears-Pro-Earphones-Triple-Fi-10-TF10PRO-Japan-Import-w-/271230455794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f26984ff2

 

Shhhhh... that's the super duper secret Japan Import edition of the TF10, tuned to match the FR of the UERM!

post #41 of 441

^   Oh, I see..... that makes perfect sense now.

 

post #42 of 441

Trust me, because of the nominal humidity and atmospheric pressure of the Congo, this special TF10 will sound dead neutral at the eardrum!

post #43 of 441
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Trust me, because of the nominal humidity and atmospheric pressure of the Congo, this special TF10 will sound dead neutral at the eardrum!

We'll call it the Congo mod.
post #44 of 441
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

How different are the drivers out of curiosity? Like totally different specs or just different part numbers? 

Different drivers that are not the same drivers as the triplefi, not "same drivers, different serial numbers" or whatever.
post #45 of 441
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Different drivers that are not the same drivers as the triplefi, not "same drivers, different serial numbers" or whatever.

Awesome thanks I actually found it earlier. I was getting at price, should have been more specific. Does anyone know if the UERM's drivers cost substantially more than the TF10? Also maybe there's a production variable warranting the price difference.
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