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BTW, are there any impressions on the impedance adapter that Rin has made?

post #287 of 524
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Just popping in for a quick thanks to everyone who posted their feedback so far. And since it's been asked, this is indeed a generic UERM version on tour, not a reshell. My UERM customs are even slightly larger than this demo unit.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was a reshell into a universal from the beginning.

post #288 of 524
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Or the acoustics of his ear canals are different from the dummy ear

 

Or the insertion depth is inaccurate, or the tips are different. None of these really affect the bass extension, though. I assume he knows what a proper seal feels like. The real issue is that a subjective difference doesn't necessarily correlate to the measurement you feel it should. Like above where a 'mixing chamber' is correlated to soundstage size.

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Right, but I mean a lot of iems in that performance tier are capable of something similar, with the 1plus2 surpassing it. The draw of the UERM for me is its technical ability, without sounding forced.

It's kind of hard for me to say which is bigger because they are so different in presentation. The UERM was the grandest I'd heard followed by the K3K. They don't kill in absolute dimensions but they sound "large." Then you get into stuff like the PF and you don't even know how to begin to judge.

Interestingly, given the right combo and EQ, I got the ASG-2 to throw out a fullsize level stage with a couple of songs which was a little jarring but cool.
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It's kind of hard for me to say which is bigger because they are so different in presentation. The UERM was the grandest I'd heard followed by the K3K. They don't kill in absolute dimensions but they sound "large." Then you get into stuff like the PF and you don't even know how to begin to judge.

Interestingly, given the right combo and EQ, I got the ASG-2 to throw out a fullsize level stage with a couple of songs which was a little jarring but cool.

 

 

You're right. I just thought the UERM's stage was simply wholesome and never lacking. The 1p2's was just always on.

 

Check out some binaural tracks with the g2 and you might be surprised.

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Or the insertion depth is inaccurate, or the tips are different. None of these really affect the bass extension, though. I assume he knows what a proper seal feels like. The real issue is that a subjective difference doesn't necessarily correlate to the measurement you feel it should. Like above where a 'mixing chamber' is correlated to soundstage size.

 

 

I am getting a good seal, for sure. Insertion depth seems similar to me for both the UERM and TFRM. I will do one last comparison before they are on their way to SoundFreaq.

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To my ears, the UERM is one of the few (if not only) IEMs that sound so wonderfully airy/open.. without being decidedly bright.  I thought that was quite unique.  To have that quality and still isolate (like all customs typically do)..it kind of sealed the deal for me, really.  The UERM's midrange reminded me more of how the HD600's mids sounded (when run off a balanced or Class A amp) than the HD800's slightly cooler, leaner, more 'silky' midrange.  In comparing the JH13 to the UERM (demo), the JH13 imaged better.. but the UERM felt like it recreated a 'live' listening experience more satisfyingly.. I'm not sure how to reconcile that.. I'm looking forward to getting a custom fit UERM (Oct 27th can't come soon enough!) to compare the JH13/UERM more in-depth.

post #293 of 524
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To my ears, the UERM is one of the few (if not only) IEMs that sound so wonderfully airy/open.. without being decidedly bright.  I thought that was quite unique.  To have that quality and still isolate (like all customs typically do)..it kind of sealed the deal for me, really.  The UERM's midrange reminded me more of how the HD600's mids sounded (when run off a balanced or Class A amp) than the HD800's slightly cooler, leaner, more 'silky' midrange.  In comparing the JH13 to the UERM (demo), the JH13 imaged better.. but the UERM felt like it recreated a 'live' listening experience more satisfyingly.. I'm not sure how to reconcile that.. I'm looking forward to getting a custom fit UERM (Oct 27th can't come soon enough!) to compare the JH13/UERM more in-depth.

 

Another JH13 owner! I didn't know you had a pair. Any other comparisons you'd be able to offer? Seems that the JH13 should have more bass and a little less of a treble peak, with more prominent mids.

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
 

Another JH13 owner! I didn't know you had a pair. Any other comparisons you'd be able to offer? Seems that the JH13 should have more bass and a little less of a treble peak, with more prominent mids.

 

I certainly will, gnarls.

 

Your comments on the bass & treble align with what I heard in the UERM demo vs the JH13: the JH13 did seem to have (comparatively) more sub-bass presence and a less prominent upper mid/lower treble peak.. than the UERM demo.  I found the UERM to have a (comparatively) more forward midrange.. but perhaps by only by a small margin.  I'll have to get back to you on that once my custom fit UERM arrives.  Vs the JH13, the UERM also sounded a bit 'leaner' in terms note weight/presentation.

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

To my ears, the UERM is one of the few (if not only) IEMs that sound so wonderfully airy/open.. without being decidedly bright.  I thought that was quite unique.  To have that quality and still isolate (like all customs typically do)..it kind of sealed the deal for me, really.  The UERM's midrange reminded me more of how the HD600's mids sounded (when run off a balanced or Class A amp) than the HD800's slightly cooler, leaner, more 'silky' midrange.  In comparing the JH13 to the UERM (demo), the JH13 imaged better.. but the UERM felt like it recreated a 'live' listening experience more satisfyingly.. I'm not sure how to reconcile that.. I'm looking forward to getting a custom fit UERM (Oct 27th can't come soon enough!) to compare the JH13/UERM more in-depth.

 

I've demoed the universal JH13 and own a Custom UERM. I personally though UERM imaged better. I guess things can be different when customs are made into universals.

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

To my ears, the UERM is one of the few (if not only) IEMs that sound so wonderfully airy/open.. without being decidedly bright.  I thought that was quite unique.  To have that quality and still isolate (like all customs typically do)..it kind of sealed the deal for me, really.  The UERM's midrange reminded me more of how the HD600's mids sounded (when run off a balanced or Class A amp) than the HD800's slightly cooler, leaner, more 'silky' midrange.  In comparing the JH13 to the UERM (demo), the JH13 imaged better.. but the UERM felt like it recreated a 'live' listening experience more satisfyingly.. I'm not sure how to reconcile that.. I'm looking forward to getting a custom fit UERM (Oct 27th can't come soon enough!) to compare the JH13/UERM more in-depth.

 

I feel your pain..except the other way around for me :)

post #297 of 524
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

 

I certainly will, gnarls.

 

Your comments on the bass & treble align with what I heard in the UERM demo vs the JH13: the JH13 did seem to have (comparatively) more sub-bass presence and a less prominent upper mid/lower treble peak.. than the UERM demo.  I found the UERM to have a (comparatively) more forward midrange.. but perhaps by only by a small margin.  I'll have to get back to you on that once my custom fit UERM arrives.  Vs the JH13, the UERM also sounded a bit 'leaner' in terms note weight/presentation.

 

Awesome thanks! Definitely looking forward to more comparisons. The UERM and JH13 seem to both offer neutral-ish high fidelity sound.

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They are on their way to SoundFreaq.

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Yeah I even listened to some of UE's higher-end CIEMs at the LA meet, but the UERM blew them away. It just sounds so real and natural, it's a pretty amazing in-ear. It seems to have a deadly one-two punch of an impressive presentation with a balanced sound signature that has just the right peaks and valleys to accentuate its realism.

 

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

To my ears, the UERM is one of the few (if not only) IEMs that sound so wonderfully airy/open.. without being decidedly bright.  I thought that was quite unique.  To have that quality and still isolate (like all customs typically do)..it kind of sealed the deal for me, really.  The UERM's midrange reminded me more of how the HD600's mids sounded (when run off a balanced or Class A amp) than the HD800's slightly cooler, leaner, more 'silky' midrange.  In comparing the JH13 to the UERM (demo), the JH13 imaged better.. but the UERM felt like it recreated a 'live' listening experience more satisfyingly.. I'm not sure how to reconcile that.. I'm looking forward to getting a custom fit UERM (Oct 27th can't come soon enough!) to compare the JH13/UERM more in-depth.

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I have to say, I am more than enamored by the UERM. The fact that the TFRM has a remarkably similar FR curve continues to blow my mind, as I would pay top dollar for the UERM but would not even consider a TFRM purchase (at any price). I guess that is my 'challenge' summary.

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