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post #151 of 524
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

That's unfortunate, as I have no problems whatsoever with that design and find these even more comfortable than my customs.


Lol, I'm not opposed to learning new things. wink.gif
 However, I'd love to see the formula that takes frequency response, time-domain and distortion (and while we're at it, potential masking effect by other frequencies) into consideration and shows without ambiguity 
why the K3003 render ride cymbals so detailed and lifelike.


Even if it exists, it's probably too complex and inefficient to be used for casual conversation, thus I reserve the right to chose the easier alternative and just describe them the way I did. Granted, there's a lot of ambiguity in colloquial language, but at least gnarlsagan and shotgunshane seem to have got what I meant.

Frequency response performance and lack of masking are basically the same thing, flat=no masking. Having low distortion, high bandwidth, even response will lead to this "high resolution", traits which the K3003 does have in the treble area though somewhat boosted compared to its midrange, but we are speaking strictly treble here. No other hybrid even IEM I know of even gets close in most of these traits.
Edited by Inks - 8/30/13 at 10:57am
post #152 of 524

Nice, Shane. 

 

Seriously trying to remove myself from bias here. Hence my lackluster participation in this thread. tongue.gif

 

Probably too late. Especially since I was considering a UERM at one point and did a lot of reading on it. Can't wait to hear the showdown. 

post #153 of 524
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Frequency response performance and lack of masking are basically the same thing, flat=no masking. Having low distortion, high bandwidth, even response will lead to this "high resolution", traits which the K3003 does have in the treble area though somewhat boosted compared to its midrange, but we are speaking strictly treble here. No other hybrid even IEM I know of even gets close in most of these traits.

Time domain too, rightski?
post #154 of 524
Yup, all the other hybrids have phase issues or ringing. Not with K3003...

Maybe 1Plus2?
Edited by Inks - 8/30/13 at 11:10am
post #155 of 524
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Frequency response performance and lack of masking are basically the same thing, flat=no masking.

 

Well, I said masking by other frequencies, what I meant is they could be flat in the cymbal (treble) range but still masked e.g. by a midrange spike.

post #156 of 524

I wish I was part of this. But I'm too busy! I guess I'll just have to be satisfied with other's reviews.

post #157 of 524

Wait, since it's gonna take sometime, can I be added to the list by any chance? I have a UERM(full custom) so I can compare the the Custom UERM to TFRM and UUERM.

Nvm


Edited by kimvictor - 9/1/13 at 1:04pm
post #158 of 524
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Wait, since it's gonna take sometime, can I be added to the list by any chance? I have a UERM(full custom) so I can compare the the Custom UERM to TFRM and UUERM.

Nvm

 

 

 

 

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Seriously, send me a PM if you're interested.

 


BTW, I'll have the UERM and TFRM on Tuesday (or Wedensday, depending on whether or not I'm home to sign for the package). 

post #159 of 524
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Seriously, send me a PM if you're interested.

 


BTW, I'll have the UERM and TFRM on Tuesday (or Wedensday, depending on whether or not I'm home to sign for the package). 

Sorry for the confusion. I really don't know how busy I'll be in a few weeks. BTW, if I am added to the list, I would have to ship internationally, right? Thanks! I'm waiting for more impressions!

post #160 of 524
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Well, I said masking by other frequencies, what I meant is they could be flat in the cymbal (treble) range but still masked e.g. by a midrange spike.

Actually most of masking happens with frequencies next to each other, as wave of sound next to another masks it. In different ranges, it's more like positioning, like too much bass and treble wouldn't necessary mask midrange, just place it back. If there's a resonance in for example the low treble, causing a spike, it will most affect information right next to it midhighs/lower treble. This is why the K3003s treble sounds so defined despite an overall moderately colored sound, the treble is fairly even within it's range making it quite detailed regardless of being more boosted than the midrange and being accompanied by a boosted bass. 


Edited by Inks - 9/2/13 at 2:28am
post #161 of 524
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Actually most of masking happens with frequencies next to each other, as wave of sound next to another masks it. In different ranges, it's more like positioning, like too much bass and treble wouldn't necessary mask midrange, just place it back.

 

Agreed, from what I've read about masking (e.g. here), I think I was just using the term in a broader sense, namely reduction of response to a signal due to the presence of another. If I understand you correctly, you'd rather use the term masking only if a signal is completely suppressed by another.

 

(Anyway, we're already deep into sound science territory, so this is my last post on that topic here.)

post #162 of 524
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Agreed, from what I've read about masking (e.g. here), I think I was just using the term in a broader sense, namely reduction of response to a signal due to the presence of another. If I understand you correctly, you'd rather use the term masking only if a signal is completely suppressed by another.

(Anyway, we're already deep into sound science territory, so this is my last post on that topic here.)
There is also a third type of masking when a side topic cannibalizes the central topic wink.gif sorry couldn't help myself...
post #163 of 524
Good one lol

@shotgunshane, which tips did you use on TFRM?
post #164 of 524
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Good one lol

@shotgunshane, which tips did you use on TFRM?

 

I used the mh1 tips on both for most of the listening but eventually preferred the phonak tips on the TF10.

 

I'd add to that while the modifications improved the TF10 bass, the stock TF10 treble tuning is much better (from memory- considering that was my favorite aspect of the stock TF10).

post #165 of 524

Part of me really wants to pull out of this challenge tour. Seriously.

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