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Better LCD-2 + HD800 or LCD-3 ?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hello everyone,

 

For by birthday (yes, I'm geeting older, but not wiser...) I have to make a decision that is not that easy for me...

 

I would have your opinion about the following choices : 

 

1) Audeze LCD-2 + Senn HD800

2) LCD-3

 

I already own a Philips Fidelio X1 and Senn HD650 both powered through an MusicalFidelity XCAN V8.

 

In any case, I would probably invest in a Burson Solist or Conductor.

 

Thank you so much for your feedback and opinions !

 

Kind regards,

 

Len

post #2 of 13

Why not just get a LCD-3 and the HD800 and be done with it.

post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

Why not just get a LCD-3 and the HD800 and be done with it.

^ This! evil_smiley.gif

post #4 of 13
Probably because you can almost get a used hd800 and lcd2 for the price of a lcd 3. If i had a choice, the hd800 lcd2 combo compliment each other quite well. One for classicsl and jazz and the other for everything else.
post #5 of 13
Stick to the HD800 and buy a good tube amp with the LCD2 money. smily_headphones1.gif
post #6 of 13

First of all, this is a discussion for the Summit-Fi section of the forum.  The cheapest can you are considering is about $1,000.

 

Especially at this level, you are foolish (unless perhaps if you are a trust fund kid or an hieress working for kicks) to buy without auditioning, not only the cans but also what you will be using to drive them.

 

All these cans are excellent and all are at least very expensive.  The Senn has a very different sound signature than the other two.  The LCD 3 is clearly better than the LCD 2, but not clearly enough better to say that the price paid for the move up is worth the extra coin.  Only you can make that call--assuming you like one or both better than the Senn.

 

Finally, you need to remind yourself that your listening enjoyment is most limited by the weakest link (or links) in your audio delivery chain, startiong with the music you select and traveling all the way down the line to the cans on your ears.

post #7 of 13

Personally speaking like KG Jag said you should audition them before trying them out. This is because you may prefer one headphone over the other and both are very expensive. Of course there could be the case where you prefer one over the other depending on the genre or music but i don't think its a good idea to pull the trigger until you know. With the extra cash you can easily get better amp or dac if you choose 1 over the other. (as in you choose the HD 800) Also you should note that HD 800 focuses on neutrality and accurate music reproduction. The LCD 2/3 however are colored (dark flavor) and is more musical. Due to its very different approaches there is a high chance you will strongly prefer 1 over the other in my opinion.

 

I personally was very impressed with the HD 800 but i find them boring and have a very strong preference for the LCD 2 over the HD 800. Also you need to consider comfort. To some people LCD 2/3 is uncomfortable due to its weight. The HD 800 in comparison is pretty comfortable.

 

I have not heard the fidelio but i know for sure that HD 800 and LCD 2/3 do not sound similar to the HD 650 in my opinion. If you really want to find out though i believe Headroom has a good return policy so you can just buy LCD 2, HD 800, return 1 or return both and get the LCD 3. 

 

I think Burson should suffice in running the LCD 2/3 but i am actually not too sure about the HD 800.

post #8 of 13

I am not an expert but from my experience, LCD 2 and 3 are quite different, they share similar Audeze house sound (very engaging, lush and emotional) but LCD2 has more kicks, more dramatic and LCD 3 has more tamed and refined sound(bigger soundstage, depth..). HD800, of course, has very different sound signature from LCDs(wider sound stages, fast, energetic but thin, less engaging compare to LCDs) . I would put LCD3 in between LCD2 and HD800 but more on LCD2 side. 

 

my best way to describe the differences between Audeze sound compare to HD800 would be having a very good tube amp(Audeze) vs Having a very good SS(HD800) amp.

 

Soloist wouldn't be the best amp for all of these headphones. I had W4S2-Soloist-LCD3(loaner LCD2,HD800 at this time) and I liked LCD2 and HD800 better than LCD3. Also I like LCD2 and HD800 with Woo Audio WA6-SE when I had it.

IMO It is very hard to find very good matching amp for LCD3 and HD800 unless you want to spend $2K+, but I have a very limited experiences in amps, for example I haven't heard Schiit Mojos or BHA-1 which seems to suite both LCD3 and HD800 pretty well.

 

Like most of them said, I highly recommend you to hear them yourself. If you have any audio shop who carries them or even head-fier's close to you might happy to give you an audition.


Edited by senson - 7/4/13 at 6:55am
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by senson View Post

I am not an expert but from my experience, LCD 2 and 3 are quite different, they share similar Audeze house sound (very engaging, lush and emotional) but LCD2 has more kicks, more dramatic and LCD 3 has more tamed and refined sound(bigger soundstage, depth..). HD800, of course, has very different sound signature from LCDs(wider sound stages, fast, energetic but thin, less engaging compare to LCDs) . I would put LCD3 in between LCD2 and HD800 but more on LCD2 side. 

 

my best way to describe the differences between Audeze sound compare to HD800 would be having a very good tube amp(Audeze) vs Having a very good SS(HD800) amp.

 

Soloist wouldn't be the best amp for all of these headphones. I had W4S2-Soloist-LCD3(loaner LCD2,HD800 at this time) and I liked LCD2 and HD800 better than LCD3. Also I like LCD2 and HD800 with Woo Audio WA6-SE when I had it.

IMO It is very hard to find very good matching amp for LCD3 and HD800 unless you want to spend $2K+, but I have a very limited experiences in amps, for example I haven't heard Schiit Mojos or BHA-1 which seems to suite both LCD3 and HD800 pretty well.

 

Like most of them said, I highly recommend you to hear them yourself. If you have any audio shop who carries them or even head-fier's close to you might happy to give you an audition.

 

your prolly the first person that i've heard that said LCD 2/3 has a big difference cause i just felt like LCD 3 was very similar with 2 but slightly better on almost all aspects. (then again i did not listen to the LCD 3 for very long and i listened to the LCD 2 only for about 2 hours which is also short) Not to say your wrong or weird. I'm just suprised that's but to everyone has their opinion. Especially about high end gear. 

 

but i think you have a great pt that its hard to find equipment with good synergy with LCD 2 and HD 800. I still think it would be better to stick with one of the two (@len73) unless you have some good money to burn after the headphone purchase. 

 

And frankly i feel like people are just way too over sensitive when it comes to each and everyone's personal HD 800 set up starting from the cables to EQ. Frankly not to say its non-sense but its just too much. You can still get a very satisfying sound without going to such obcessive state but i guess thats just the state of mind when you're spending thousands on headphone and headphone equipment.

 

its just not worth spending that excessive time and hundreds extra if not thousands for that extra 2% or less perfection. (unless you have a job and ur that passionate, for better or for worse i am not rich or passionate enough)

 

But ya, audition and i understand that it can be really difficult to do so. It is for me as well when im in usa, so if thats the case and you know your buying something. I sugguest buying ur product from a place with a good return policy and abuse it until you find your golden pair. 

post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by meyner View Post

 

your prolly the first person that i've heard that said LCD 2/3 has a big difference cause i just felt like LCD 3 was very similar with 2 but slightly better on almost all aspects. (then again i did not listen to the LCD 3 for very long and i listened to the LCD 2 only for about 2 hours which is also short) Not to say your wrong or weird. I'm just suprised that's but to everyone has their opinion. Especially about high end gear. 

 

but i think you have a great pt that its hard to find equipment with good synergy with LCD 2 and HD 800. I still think it would be better to stick with one of the two (@len73) unless you have some good money to burn after the headphone purchase. 

 

And frankly i feel like people are just way too over sensitive when it comes to each and everyone's personal HD 800 set up starting from the cables to EQ. Frankly not to say its non-sense but its just too much. You can still get a very satisfying sound without going to such obcessive state but i guess thats just the state of mind when you're spending thousands on headphone and headphone equipment.

 

its just not worth spending that excessive time and hundreds extra if not thousands for that extra 2% or less perfection. (unless you have a job and ur that passionate, for better or for worse i am not rich or passionate enough)

 

But ya, audition and i understand that it can be really difficult to do so. It is for me as well when im in usa, so if thats the case and you know your buying something. I sugguest buying ur product from a place with a good return policy and abuse it until you find your golden pair. 

 

Like I mentioned I have very limited experience in Amps, my comparison between LCD2 and 3 is when I used Soloist and B22, it might change my opinion if I could listen to them with different amps, because I heard a lot of people say LCD3 can be very puncy and exciting when they have it with Mojos. Not to mention the love of GS-X from MacedonianHero biggrin.gif one day.... one day...

 

you are def right people(including me) pays lot more money to get their 2~10% improvement but I guess that's what enthusiast do in their hobbies(cars, speakers, Av systems, photography, crafts.. etcs..)

 

Back on topic, yes, they are all great headphones with different sound signature.

post #11 of 13

Heya,

 

Seeing as there are groups of people that swear that each headphone mentioned here are the top end of the game, depending on who you ask, it's fairly clear that you're just going to get preference driven responses.

 

The reality is, you should audition/listen to each one of them and see which one(s) truly is pleasurable and matches your preference (both in sound, and the feel of the device itself on your melon).

 

If you have the money to burn, buy from a place with a no-question-asked-return-policy, and audition two of them.

 

You may find that the differences between the LCD2/3 are relatively exaggerated at best around here. The HD800 is a different sound all together. But you're comparing apples to oranges with that anyways.

 

Try them. See what your ears want to listen to.

 

Otherwise... I'll just go ahead and do this while we're at it: Why not Stax?

 

Very best,

post #12 of 13

lol i was under the impression that staxs would be notieably more expensive than LCD 3 if you consider the equipment and the phone, no?

 

rly want to but have yet to hear them though

post #13 of 13

For me it's about soundstage and comfort.

 

The LCD-2/3 are much heavier and you will definitely notice them on your head. The HD800s disappear on your head.

 

The LCD-2/3 have are a little bit warmer after a couple of hours. The HD800s are cooler.

 

The LCD-2/3 have a pretty small and cosy soundstage. The HD800s have a very wide almost arena like soundstage.

 

The LCD-2/3 are more laid-back easy listening. The HD800s are more sit up and pay attention kind of listening.

 

Not saying that one is better than the other but it might help you make a choice based on personal preference.

 

I've tried both and HD800s are the ones I own :-)

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