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post #436 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Hello all, after following this thread for a while, I decided to make an account. I am not an audiophile, in fact, I don't think I am qualified on analysing sound what so ever yet, but merely a question of bad or good sound. As I have never owned a pair of headphones or even ever listened to a pair of good ones, I do not know what to expect but from having done an extensive bit of research over the past two days I have decided for certain that I am going to buy a pair. I was searching on youtube for top headphones and the likes of ATH - M50 (Audio-Technica) and the K550/1 (AKG) we're mentioned.

1. Initially I was going to get the K550's because they are honestly (in my opinion) the best looking headphones I have ever stumbled across hands down. However I was concerned about it lacking a substantial amount of base and the high pitch problems with the treble. I have gradually been learning about the different terms and what they mean but have still got quite a bit to discover. Having originally found myself looking at beats, I have heard they are not good value for money and that there were many other headphones that 'blew them out of the water' bit didn't like the appearance as they looked too retro for my personal taste.

2. Anyway, to the point, I am concerned about the K545 because in the specifications they only have a soundstage or is it called (frequency response?) of 20 - 20000 Hz, whilst many other reputable cans including the K550's go up to 28000 Hz. I am very concerned as from what I understand a wider range of frequencies equates to a greater instrument desperation where the sound is not congested or something like that, basically it sounds more real (please bare with me if I don't know what I'm talking about).

So could anyone tell me if this is discernible between the K545 and K550? I really want the best sounding headphones but without compromise, i.e a detachable cable and having a great build quality are a must. After reading many reviews I have noted that the odd number of people have said that the music sounds more (although slight) congested. Also how do these stack up to the ATH - M50's. 3.So to summarise, K545 vs K550 (vs M50 but not too concerned about buying these as they are made of plastic and do not have a detachable cable)

4.Additional Information: I listen to a wide variety of genres but mainly hip-hop & electronic.

Thanks wink.gif

1. Akg definitely nailed the looks department over any other headphone... I agree with you there... for looks alone I almost bought it. They do lack bass though.

 

2. A wider soundstage means the instruments pan left to right wider. The k550 was great at this. Soundstage sometimes,not always, lends to better instrument separation because they become less congested when better spread out. Compared to the momentum the k550 has better instrument seperation on busy songs because of this. The k545 is not as wide but still way less congested than the momentum, and has(from my brief listen) a wider soundstage still than some of its competition. 

 

 The frequency range of 20-20khz is Definitely adequate. (That however is not what is called soundstage.... though I can see the confusion easily. Soundstage is the stage sounds are on and how they are literally staged as if the headphone itself is the venue. Large soundstage to small soundstage is as studio is to concert hall, recording booth is to live stage etc. The word Imaging ties into it as well because that is being able to hear the sounds distinct placement. ) Sometimes headphones FR go beyond human hearing. 20 hz is adequate for lows/bass extension, as most music notes below that are too slow in vibration to make a solid impact on most headphones. 20000 hz is very good and close to the upper limits of human hearing. 28000 hz is useless really. Plus you have provided enough information to describe what you are looking for in a headphone. I think you did great... I get it.

 

3. Even just from hearing them briefly in a store I would definitely go with the k545. I have heard the k550 several times and really liked the soundstage width but they are far fom genre masters. Hip hop and electronic will sound very dry and boring on the k550. The m50 is old news and is losing to a lot of the newer headphones. 

 

4. For those genres, which is what i listen to mainly, I would go with the k545 over the k550 for sure. But I would pick the yamaha hph mt220 because of its bass response which is stronger than both at the same price. I didn't compare all of them together but there was no difficulty in determining bass strengths even off of memory. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 12/8/13 at 11:04am
post #437 of 1456
The whole frequency response thing is very misleading. 20hz -20000hz is very common with a lot of headphones in regards to the manufacturers specifications. Anything lower than 20hz is felt not heard and only if you have a speaker system capableof moving enough air to be felt. On the other end of the scale anything above 20000hz is beyond the human ears ability to hear.

The K550 has less bass and has a slightly brighter signature. It also has a bit larger sound stage and instrument separation because of the thinner sound. The K545 on the other hand has more bass and slightly warmer sound with not quite as emphasized upper mids/lower treble. The less emphasis does make the K545 sound a bit less detailed but in my opinion also less fatiguing and more natural sounding.

If you can I recommend hearing both before buying so a trip to a Best buy (if you live in the US) might be worth while. If not, use the information in this thread and my review to help decide which way to go. For me the change in signature, portability, and slightly easier and better fit/seal far out weigh the slight difference in detail and sound stage.

I greatly prefer either AKG over the M50 myself.
Edited by dweaver - 12/8/13 at 11:12am
post #438 of 1456
Thanks for the quick response.
@grizzlybeast
I noticed you talked about imaging. The ability to hear a sounds distinct placement. I would be very appreciative if you could talk about the K545's imaging capabilities, because it just so happens that I play games where it is useful to be able to locate footsteps. So I am assuming from what you said about the K550 sounding less congested, that it would be easier to distinguish individual footsteps in game? If so how much is the K550's imaging superior to the K545's, is it by much? Just to give some additional background information, I plan to later use these headphones with an astro mixamp in addition to music, however music will be my primary use. I don't know if you play video games or know of the imaging capabilities but if you did it would be very helpful. I am already sold on these headphones now from what I have heard! But have some further concerns.

@dweaver
During my research I have come across these terms, bright, warm and colourful sound quite a number of times and I think I get the gist of their meanings but would be very appreciative if you could tell me what this means (I also have no idea what muddy bass is bit I think I understand tight bass). grizzly beast said that hip hop would sound boring on the K550's, is this because they are neutral and don't emphasis the mid range. Because I will plan to later use these headphones for hearing footsteps which are high pitch I am considering the K550's because you said that they were more detailed. That way I would be able to depict where enemies are coming from. Why is it that people say neutral headphones sound boring, isn't that good that they are neutral because you hear them the way the artist intended. So many questions!

Thanks in advance!
post #439 of 1456

A bright headphone emphasizes the upper midrange and treble over the rest of the sound frequencies, warm headphones usually have more emphasis in the lower midrange, colorful headphones generally refer to a headphone that emphasizes one area over the others, so a warm or bright headphone are both colorful. Muddy bass is bass that is flabby and out of control and bass that that changes or masks the other sound frequencies. The K550 is not really more detailed, it just sounds that way because it emphasizes the upper midrange and lower treble which gives the sense of added detail.

 

The bass of the K550 is less impacting than the K545 which will make your genres you like sound bass lite which is why Grizzlybeast suggested you won't like HipHop on them.

 

While you asked Grizzlybeast about imaging I thought I would offer my thoughts as well. The main difference between the K550 and the K545 is sound stage size vs imaging. Sound stage is how big the headphone sounds. Imaging is how well a headphone places sounds within the sound field. I think  you will find both headphones very good for imaging and I think you will be able to hear footsteps very well with either headphone.


Edited by dweaver - 12/8/13 at 1:31pm
post #440 of 1456

Lukalop, you should check this thread out. http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary It explains most of the audiophile terminology that you will hear in reviews. And hip hop generally sounds better on headphones with more bass, so the k545 will probably be a better choice for you over the k550. As I haven't listened to both headphones yet I cant comment being able to hear footsteps. However both headphones should be very adequate for this purpose. You will have better audio quality in games than probably 99.9% of  the people that you play against xD

edit: oops didn't see your post dweaver, that link will still be helpful though


Edited by Starset - 12/8/13 at 1:55pm
post #441 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Thanks for the quick response.
@grizzlybeast
I noticed you talked about imaging. The ability to hear a sounds distinct placement. I would be very appreciative if you could talk about the K545's imaging capabilities, because it just so happens that I play games where it is useful to be able to locate footsteps. So I am assuming from what you said about the K550 sounding less congested, that it would be easier to distinguish individual footsteps in game? If so how much is the K550's imaging superior to the K545's, is it by much? Just to give some additional background information, I plan to later use these headphones with an astro mixamp in addition to music, however music will be my primary use. I don't know if you play video games or know of the imaging capabilities but if you did it would be very helpful. I am already sold on these headphones now from what I have heard! But have some further concerns.

@dweaver
During my research I have come across these terms, bright, warm and colourful sound quite a number of times and I think I get the gist of their meanings but would be very appreciative if you could tell me what this means (I also have no idea what muddy bass is bit I think I understand tight bass). grizzly beast said that hip hop would sound boring on the K550's, is this because they are neutral and don't emphasis the mid range. Because I will plan to later use these headphones for hearing footsteps which are high pitch I am considering the K550's because you said that they were more detailed. That way I would be able to depict where enemies are coming from. Why is it that people say neutral headphones sound boring, isn't that good that they are neutral because you hear them the way the artist intended. So many questions!

Thanks in advance!

I don't think that I am qualified to make a complete and fully trust worthy answer there. I will say that there is no do it all headphone out there so be careful. I would get the k545 for all around listening and use it until you can find a good gaming headphone... Ie the sony ma900 which is really affordable. The k545 while less wide in soundstage than the k545 still had good imaging from what i remember... Soundstage and imaging are two different things but a good soundstage helps imaging like a larger canvas helps place different images. But a small canvas can still have the ability to show exactly where all the placements of objects are. 

 

I also agree with Starset saying that you will have better imaging that most people you play with. the k545 caught me off guard in the store. I was truly surprised especially because it is cheaper than the k550 and wayyy cheaper than the k551


Edited by grizzlybeast - 12/8/13 at 2:29pm
post #442 of 1456
How would you compare the soundstage of the K545, K550 & K551 respectively.
I have just done some looking up and I am going to need excellent sound stage and imaging.

Do you know which headphones are best for this purpose?
post #443 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

How would you compare the soundstage of the K545, K550 & K551 respectively.
I have just done some looking up and I am going to need excellent sound stage and imaging.

Do you know which headphones are best for this purpose?

AKG K550/1 will be better out of the three. It is still, best to stick with open headphone for soundstage and imaging though 

post #444 of 1456

The K551 is pretty much the K550 with a more portable iPhone cable. So take a read through my review and this thread to get an idea on the differences between the K550 and K545.

post #445 of 1456
I see. Do you know how well the sound isolation of the K545 are? Especially compared with the K550 & K551? I ask because I will be using these headphones whilst out in public, also I study in the library often and so I need extremely good sound isolation. What would be the best headphone for sound isolation?
post #446 of 1456
The K550 is a bit better for isolation. Neither are great for isolation though, at least not in comparison to IEM's designed for isolation. I would say both are about as good as an average IEM at best. But I do use my K545 on light rail transit occasionally and daily in my office and find it is adequate at slightly louder than my usual volume level I use with a good IEM.
post #447 of 1456

@Lukalop I suggest going to best buy to hear it or just pulling the trigger, and returning it if you don't like it.-

 

The awesome thing about the k545 is the price. dont get it from amazon now but buy it from best buy online or directly from akg for 249. It is rare to find a headphone that sounds this good at under 300 dollars to start off with. Most new headphones of its quality tier start at atleast 299 msrp. These easily beat a lot of its competition and will be good enough for all of your needs. 

 

Another really good hp for the money with bass is the yamaha hph mt220 and the creative aurvana live!2. Others sound good but you will pay more, or loose bass response.. If I were in your position though I would just pull the trigger.. no headphones do all things right but some are outstanding in price to performance and to me the k545 represents what people can expect from new headphones released. All of them isolate enough to be considered portable though some more or less than others they are suitable. 

 

 There are a lot of new hp's out there and all of them sound really good and are beating the previous staples like the momentum. Take your pick and be confident that you will be satisfied. I think that bass is the what differs in most of them and the k545 is healthy enough for modern music. 

post #448 of 1456
+1 agree completely...
post #449 of 1456
Okay, I am really getting interested in all this of how speakers work and the different traits that they have and can see myself becoming an audiophile with enough experience! biggrin.gif

Unfortunately I'm in the UK so no best buy or other places to try out around here. I know I am getting a little repetitive but going back to soundstage and imaging. I have heard rave reviews over the HD800's which are arguably the best headphones in existence. Do you know of any headphones that have amazing (I'm talking absolutely stellar) soundstage and imaging or would the set of cans by AKG be suitable to give the likes of professional headphones a run for their money.

I ask because I don't want to regret purchasing as I doubt I will be bothered to sell them and get a new pair, I plan to stick with whichever pair I get for quite a while and really want the best but do not have the big bucks to fork out for true reference grade ones.

Edit: Also I have heard that some headphones have too wide a soundstage that it sounds almost artificial, is this true? I always thought soundstage improved the wider the better. Can the imaging be too precise or is there a right balance?
Edited by Lukalop - 12/9/13 at 12:36pm
post #450 of 1456

what is your price range?

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