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post #1216 of 1723
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A bit of both actually, but tilting towards the warmer side IMO in contrast to a neutral sound. 

 

Do they give you the weight you need for say a realistic piano or acoustic guitar sound?

post #1217 of 1723
More generally, how do these fare with acoustic music like jazz, world and classical? That's the majority of what I listen too.

I've been searching for headphones for a while now with no luck.

I've gone from the onkyo es300 to the sound magic hp100 to the thinksound on1s. The onkyos and thinksounds sounded good but weren't comfortable for me for long listening sessions. The sound magics didn't give me realistic sounding tonality outside the highs.
post #1218 of 1723
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Do they give you the weight you need for say a realistic piano or acoustic guitar sound?

almost. the notes are more towards the lighter side then the full and rich side but they are still satisfying and clean.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/22/14 at 9:19am
post #1219 of 1723
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

A bit of both actually, but tilting towards the warmer side IMO in contrast to a neutral sound. 

 

Do they give you the weight you need for say a realistic piano or acoustic guitar sound?


More or less, the notes definitely have a good thickness to them as the 'phones do have a bass focus on the sound spectrum.
post #1220 of 1723
I love how they reproduce piano and guitar it is one of their best qualities.
post #1221 of 1723
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There seem to be mixed reports on the mids on these. To me mids are by far the most important for conveying musicality, but some call these warm and musical and others say thin. Do they convey realistic midrange weight and timbre?

 

Sounds like the HP50's would be a better match for you.

post #1222 of 1723
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Sounds like the HP50's would be a better match for you.

Thanks. How do the HP50s do conveying the brightness and bite needed for brass instruments?
Edited by Stuff Jones - 2/22/14 at 2:56pm
post #1223 of 1723
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Thanks. How do the HP50s do conveying the brightness and sharpness needed for brass instruments?

 

Bright and sharp are not two words that come to mind when listening to the HP50.  They were a little too warm for me IMO :p  Lack energy in the midrange. 

post #1224 of 1723
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Bright and sharp are not two words that come to mind when listening to the HP50.  They were a little too warm for me IMO tongue.gif  Lack energy in the midrange. 

Too bad. What portable gives you the warmth and thickness needed for upright bass, piano and guitar as well as the brightness and bite needed for brass instruments? Is that an impossible combination?
post #1225 of 1723
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Thanks. How do the HP50s do conveying the brightness and sharpness needed for brass instruments?

The treble is more laid back than the 545's but I feel it is more realistic. I have a minor issue with the 545's treble. It's not bad. it gets a bit harsh at times for me, but I've been know to like a warmer more laid back treble vs. others. The HP50's treble seams to be more cohesive with the sound. I'm not experienced enough with HP to know why I get this sense with some headphones. Possibly it is because I prefer more prominent mids(but I don't think I would classify the HP50''s as mid centric). I don't like when bass or treble calls attention to itself and the HP50's do a better job at that, though they do have a bit of a mid bass hump.

 

I don't listen to much brass, so I can't speak to that. But cymbals sound more natural on the HP's but more pronounced in the 545's.

 

Take this with a grain of salt. I often listen to supposedly high end top tier headphones and I'm shocked how unnatural the treble it. Bright and piercing, overpowering, etc. They do not sound like I'm sitting in a small venue listening to the artist live which is what I prefer. If I close my eyes and listen to each the HP's have a more natural live feel. They 545's and many highly rated headphones sound more like I'm listening to a engineered recording.

 

All that being said, I'm having a hard time deciding which to keep. I know I've been a little critical of the 545's but I also have minor issues with the HP's. I wish they extended lower like the 545's do and I like a very small amount of mid bass emphasis and the HP's have a touch to much, but just a very small amount too much.  I'm leaning slightly towards the HP's, but they both sound great.

 

If you steer me to a track you know with brass instruments, I'll have a listen and tell you what I think.


Edited by Painful Chafe - 2/22/14 at 3:14pm
post #1226 of 1723
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The treble is more laid back than the 545's but I feel it is more realistic. I have a minor issue with the 545's treble. It's not bad. it gets a bit harsh at times for me, but I've been know to like a warmer more laid back treble vs. others. The HP50's treble seams to be more cohesive with the sound. I'm not experienced enough with HP to know why I get this sense with some headphones. Possibly it is because I prefer more prominent mids(but I don't think I would classify the HP50''s as mid centric). I don't like when bass or treble calls attention to itself and the HP50's do a better job at that, though they do have a bit of a mid bass hump.

I don't listen to much brass, so I can't speak to that. But cymbals sound more natural on the HP's but more pronounced in the 545's.

Take this with a grain of salt. I often listen to supposedly high end top tier headphones and I'm shocked how unnatural the treble it. Bright and piercing, overpowering, etc. They do not sound like I'm sitting in a small venue listening to the artist live which is what I prefer. If I close my eyes and listen to each the HP's have a more natural live feel. They 545's and many highly rated headphones sound more like I'm listening to a engineered recording.

All that being said, I'm having a hard time deciding which to keep. I know I've been a little critical of the 545's but I also have minor issues with the HP's. I wish they extended lower like the 545's do and I like a very small amount of mid bass emphasis and the HP's have a touch to much, but just a very small amount too much.  I'm leaning slightly towards the HP's, but they both sound great.

If you steer me to a track you know with brass instruments, I'll have a listen and tell you what I think.

Here's two, one which I use to check treble and one more for mids.

For treble: Miles' trumpet here should at times be almost smooth and at times sharp and *almost* painful.

For mids: the reverberation of the sax at the beginning here should be almost overwhelming. I'm not sure more objective words to use, but I've heard this guy live and his sound is just amazingly raw and powerful.
post #1227 of 1723

Listened and I think both have the sound you are looking for as far as the trumpets. Funny thing is, the horns are more front and center with the HP50's, a bit more in your face, more prominent. The "sharp and *almost* painful" is certainly there on both. You will get more emphasis with the bass line also on the HP's if that is your thing.

 

I'm not much of a jazz listener, but I believe one thing your guys likely put stock in is realism. You want it to sound like you are sitting in a smokey lounge and Miles is on stage in front of you, my opinion is the HP's are better. On the 545's, the horns on both tracks are more in the back, blending in more with the rest of the music. On the HP's, the horns are the highlight in both tracks.

 

The only issue I have with the HP's is the mid bass hump. But, it is there because most people like it. Even though the horns are the star of the show with the HP's, the mid bass calls attention to itself.

 

One more thing on the sound. The Cabasa(I think that's what it is called) at about 7:40 to 8:00 in the second track becomes more prominent and sounds ridiculously good and realistic more so on the HP's. I guess I'm saying the the HP's have better timbre.

 

I can say I enjoyed both tracks more on the HP's. If the slightly bumped mid bass isn't a problem for you, I'd say you would think the same.

 

That Pharoah Sanders track was very good. I'm going to have to do a little research into him.

 

On a side note though not related to the above tracks. I listened to both the HP50's and 545 through my Clip+ tonight, and I have to say, things changed a lot. The HP's were muddy and cloudy and not much fun to listen to, but the 545's sounded really great relatively speaking. So, unfortunately I'm not sure how much help others opinions with different equipment is going to be to you. If I loaded both of the above tracks on my Clip and listened, I might have preferred the 545's. Not sure why the Clip and the HP50's don't get along, but I wasn't a fan of the match.


Edited by Painful Chafe - 2/22/14 at 8:14pm
post #1228 of 1723

I really appreciate that comparison, its really helpful. What source were you using? I'm using an X3 (likely soon an X5) which is already itself warm so I wonder if it might actually pair better with the K545s?

 

Interesting about the Clip. I thought the K545s were more difficult to drive than the NADs.

 

That's just part of the Pharaoh Sanders track. Its 30+ minutes and gets pretty intense. Its his best known track from his best known album.

 

Thanks again.


Edited by Stuff Jones - 2/22/14 at 8:15pm
post #1229 of 1723

Well, in all my listening besides the two tracks above, it has been on my X3. I haven't gone through the trouble of using the X3 as a DAC for the computer. Maybe someday. I'm still on the old firmware and I think I have to update to the 2.1 and download a file for it to work. I'll figure it out someday.

 

Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to listen to that Pharoah Sanders track again. Really good listening. :atsmile:


Edited by Painful Chafe - 2/22/14 at 8:20pm
post #1230 of 1723
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Well, in all my listening besides the two tracks above, it has been on my X3. I haven't gone through the trouble of using the X3 as a DAC for the computer. Maybe someday. I'm still on the old firmware and I think I have to update to the 2.1 and download a file for it to work. I'll figure it out someday.

 

Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to listen to that Pharoah Sanders track again. Really good listening. :atsmile:

 

Glad you like Pharaoh. If you have a chance to see him live, its well worth it now that he's getting up there in years. His sound is like no other. 

 

How is the X3 - K545 vs X3 - NAD comparison. Does the X3 warm/thicken up the K545? Is it overkill with the NADs?

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