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post #796 of 905
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Originally Posted by Belial88 View Post
 

I've never heard of these headphones, i never see them mentioned at all, and they are only $50. I can't tell if they are open or closed either. I would prefer open. I can't find any information on the sound profile, or comfort of these headphones as well (there's very little comparisons in this thread, yes I've read every page). 

 

It might be my sarcasm detector failing but...

 

First post on this page (53):

 

Originally Posted by Trenne View Post
 

Got mine a couple of days ago. The fit is a bit loose. They sound good, but I prefer my momentums. Maybe it´s because they are my first open hp´s.

But will give them a couple of hours more to burn in and try again. But considering the price they are really great. So anybody looking for a cheap open headphone that sounds good should look at these. Unfortently I get some hiss when I have these plugged in my magni.

 

Couple of post later DoserCSX describes the sound of the headphones and also more on the comfort. All that is in the same page you posted on. If you really have red this whole thread then it is the biggest failure in reading comprehension in the universe...ever. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it gets annoying with this stuff. Reading long threads becomes a drag because same things are talked over and over again because people are too lazy to find out anything by themselves. First 1/5 of the thread is pure hype, that is ok. Then theres the small portion where the important stuff about the subject at hand is being discussed and then the rest and biggest part of the thread is mostly about people asking the same questions over and over again. If someone were to contribute something of importance later on in the thread it would get drowned in the mix of people asking "how these headphones sound" on page 124 or something.

 

If I recall there is something about how pioneers compare to takstar hi2050 somewhere in this thread. Search function will help. Also I will be getting pioneers some time next week and I'll propably post my impressions too. Hi2050 has been my favorite cheap open back headphone for a long time so I'm interested how these compare. Maybe I'll add something about somic mh463 also. I also have superlux hd681 but it's doubtfull I'll be comparing those to pioneers considering takstars outperform superluxes by significant margin.


Edited by Beocord - 1/28/14 at 2:06pm
post #797 of 905
Momemntums arent really widely discussed, so not much frame of reference (and if anything, it just is a negative review). He also hadnt burned them in, and was his only open phones. And they hiss, wtf.

But yea, not really any A/Bing in here.

It'd be helpful if the OP was updated, like it usually is in most large threads, to reflect the discussion and cover the basics and reviews.

Im shocked to hear you say the 2050 is better then the evo. I just purchased the 681 EVO (fixes the high highs of the 681, more comfort, aesthetic) as, I understood, the best headphones under 100. I understood the takstars to be darker vs warmer (preference), and to have a weird highs, slightly less comfort, very solid build quality (however the evo has vastly improved build over 681R). I definitely considered the 2050s though, never heard anyone say there was more then a tiny difference.

Maybe its because the 681s are not as great, and shrill, whereas the sr850/668b is generally considered the best of those superlux/k240 copies, and the 681 evo an improvement over the 681 and different sound profile and more comfort/aesthetic to 668b/sr850 instead of being worse.
post #798 of 905
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Originally Posted by Belial88 View Post
 

I'd like to know the answer to exactly this as well.

 

I've never heard of these headphones, i never see them mentioned at all, and they are only $50. I can't tell if they are open or closed either. I would prefer open. I can't find any information on the sound profile, or comfort of these headphones as well (there's very little comparisons in this thread, yes I've read every page). 

How do these compare to the 558s? And how do they compare to other budget kings like the CAL, V6/7506, 2050, and most important, the 681 EVO (which I just ordered, which is similar/based off the AKG K240, Samson SR850, and superlux 681).

 

Thanks.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/677868/pioneer-se-a1000-vs-takstar-hi-2050-open-headphones

 

Takstars Hi-2050 sound higher end when paired with high quality audiophile recordings, specially classical and more if you prefer a brighter presentation. Pioneer Se-A1000s sound more open, less headphone-like, and also more forgiving of poorly recorded material.


Edited by Me x3 - 1/28/14 at 2:47pm
post #799 of 905
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Originally Posted by Belial88 View Post

Im shocked to hear you say the 2050 is better then the evo.

 

I was talking about the original red/black hd681 not evo. The standard hd681 version not f or b model. I have not heard evo. But it's on my list for cheap headphones to try out. Those original hd681 are indeed shrill sounding. Very sibilant. 2050 also has issues with highs as you stated. Treble peak is my only gripe with takstars, other than that they're terrific. I'd be pleasently surprised if pioneers can compete. I listened to takstars and beyerdynamic dt880 side by side and takstar performed really well compared. Of course beyers were better but not by miles. Price/quality difference is absurd. Later I sold dt880 and moved on to T1. I feel that there is bigger difference in sound quality between dt880 and T1 than there is between 2050 and dt880. So yeah... if se-a1000 is better than hi2050 it's one amazing headphone for the price. Atleast for the price people are paying in the us. In eu pioneer prices are not discounted that much. They sell around 150$. Luckily I got mine used for a decent price.

post #800 of 905
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Originally Posted by Beocord View Post
 

 

(...) So yeah... if se-a1000 is better than hi2050 it's one amazing headphone for the price. Atleast for the price people are paying in the us. In eu pioneer prices are not discounted that much. They sell around 150$. Luckily I got mine used for a decent price.

 

It doesn't make any sense to me trying to figure out which one of the two is better. Both are really different indeed. Open vs semi-open, slightly u-shaped vs forward, quite veiled and forgiving vs pretty transparent and edgy. I think both perform very good, specially at their price point, but their goals are different.
I can easily imagine someone hating one and liking the other very much, in both directions.
post #801 of 905
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Originally Posted by Me x3 View Post
 

It doesn't make any sense to me trying to figure out which one of the two is better.

I know what you mean. I try to listen to affordable headphones as objectively as I can. Just trying to find out which headphones are best at what they were designed to do. I buy and sell these headphones and just keep going. It's just kind of an hobby. When I choose more expensive headphones that I use on daily basis several hours a day, I pay more attention to my personal preferences with headphones sound signatures.

post #802 of 905
Sorry I'm a little lost what headphones you guys were talking about when you were this'ing and that'ing, especially your most Me x3 (it'd be awfully sad you wrote such a detailed comparison of sound profiles and no one would be able to google, much less even know, what headphones you were talking about). 
 
So... SE-A1000 vs Superluxes/k240/sr850? 
post #803 of 905

Me X3, I noticed you have a habit of saying 'this, that', etc for headphones, it's really hard to follow you. I've been reading some of your posts, you have a ton of awesome reviews, you've got some amazing work on this site, but a lot of good information gets lost by this habit.

 

Anyways, I'd like to ask you again about your comment, to please elaborate some more:

 

Quote:
  I also have superlux hd681 but it's doubtfull I'll be comparing those to pioneers considering takstars outperform superluxes by significant margin.

 

The 681's were known for having shrill highs, but the Evos fix this as well as become better build quality, aesthetic, and comfort. The Takstar 2050s, as i understand, have slightly less comfort than the sr850/681/668b build, far better build quality (but i guess evo matches it, or maybe not as far worse anymore in build quality), and have a 'weird' high. 

 

Also, on a preferential note, the Takstar 2050s seem to be poor for electronic music (my musical preference) due to subdued bass and shrill/weird highs? So maybe a bad choice for me personally...

 

Anyways, the 681s aren't exactly a great superlux, the 681B >681 Evo = 668B > 681. But keeping in mind that the profile of the superlux can be changed by mods and which model you get... 

 

Quote:
 Takstars Hi-2050 sound higher end when paired with high quality audiophile recordings, specially classical and more if you prefer a brighter presentation. Pioneer Se-A1000s sound more open, less headphone-like, and also more forgiving of poorly recorded material.

 

I usually just listen off youtube, maybe sites like last.fm and pandora. I rarely even torrent mp3s. So I'm guessing lower quality material (what exactly is high quality material these days anyways? you got a vinyl player hooked up to a pc or something?). 


Edited by Belial88 - 1/28/14 at 11:56pm
post #804 of 905

Takstar bass is not subdued. It's not very bassy but I consider it to be slightly boosted instead of being neutral. Also there is nothing weird about the highs. There is treble peak, but other than that highs are very good. However If one is looking for open headphones edm music in mind somic mh463 is a lot better than hi2050. Bass on somic's is awesome. Not just for the price but for open headphones at any price. I have not heard open back planars such as audeze..There is no doubt bass on those high end orthos is supreme but as far as dynamic headphones go mh463 bass is top notch.

 

I consider 320kbs mp3 to be bare minimum for good audio quality. Spotify premium is sufficient for me but anything below that is a no go for me. In the end it's the quality of the recording it self that matters the most. It doesn't matter if the file is lossless or lp if people recording it had no idea what they were doing. Most of my music is in high quality flac or wav but I also do quite a bit of listening with my turntable setup.

post #805 of 905
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Originally Posted by Belial88 View Post
Sorry I'm a little lost what headphones you guys were talking about when you were this'ing and that'ing, especially your most Me x3 (it'd be awfully sad you wrote such a detailed comparison of sound profiles and no one would be able to google, much less even know, what headphones you were talking about). 
 
So... SE-A1000 vs Superluxes/k240/sr850? 

 

It's trivial I'm talking about Pioneer Se-A1000 and Takstar Hi-2050. Indeed, it's explicit.

 

Post #798

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http://www.head-fi.org/t/677868/pioneer-se-a1000-vs-takstar-hi-2050-open-headphones

 

Takstars Hi-2050 sound higher end when paired with high quality audiophile recordings, specially classical and more if you prefer a brighter presentation. Pioneer Se-A1000s sound more open, less headphone-like, and also more forgiving of poorly recorded material.

 

In Post #800 I've quoted part of Post #799 by Beocord, where he only writes about Pioneer SE-A1000 and Takstar Hi-2050.

 

Then:

 

You asked me to expand this comment, which I've never made.

Quote:
   I also have superlux hd681 but it's doubtfull I'll be comparing those to pioneers considering takstars outperform superluxes by significant margin.

 

I think you should take some more time to read each post.

 

Somehow you are not interpreting things in the right way.
-Saying there is no information about some headphones when you can simply find info about them just a few post before yours.
-Saying you can't realize which headphones we are talking about, when it's pretty explicit.
-Attributing a Post made by a particular Head-Fier to other Head-Fier.

 

You can also expand, if you want, what you mean about the "this, that" thing, it is not really clear. (Using real examples is often a good strategy)

 

Last but not least, with well recorded material I mean uncompressed music, unaffected by the so called Loudness War, and produced by knowledgeable people aiming for sound quality. You can find high quality recordings in Vynils and SACDs but also in regular CDs. This kind of recordings are most of the times published by audiophile record labels such as Chesky Records, Telarc, First Impression Music, Harmonia Mundi, etc.

post #806 of 905

I won't be using high quality recordings. I don't have that kind of time. 

 

So sorry, mixed up some posts. Yea, Beocord.... could you expound on that comment a little more, in regards to Superlux quality vs A1000 and 2050.

 

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Originally Posted by Beocord View Post
 

Takstar bass is not subdued. It's not very bassy but I consider it to be slightly boosted instead of being neutral. Also there is nothing weird about the highs. There is treble peak, but other than that highs are very good. However If one is looking for open headphones edm music in mind somic mh463 is a lot better than hi2050. Bass on somic's is awesome. Not just for the price but for open headphones at any price. I have not heard open back planars such as audeze..There is no doubt bass on those high end orthos is supreme but as far as dynamic headphones go mh463 bass is top notch.

 

I consider 320kbs mp3 to be bare minimum for good audio quality. Spotify premium is sufficient for me but anything below that is a no go for me. In the end it's the quality of the recording it self that matters the most. It doesn't matter if the file is lossless or lp if people recording it had no idea what they were doing. Most of my music is in high quality flac or wav but I also do quite a bit of listening with my turntable setup.

 

I don't hear high praise for the comfort of the somics compared to superlux or the takstars so I'm going to pass on the somics. 

post #807 of 905

a question for anyone who has performed the following mod mentioned by radi9red on page 45:

 

"5. Improve sound dynamic - upon close inspection - i realise there are 2 thick cloth paddings stick on top of the driver.   you can remove the outer one (bigger) one first - which you will immediate notice that your dynamics and impact of all your sound frequencies improving."

 

i don't have my cans in hand yet as they are still in transit, but i am very interested in performing this mod right off the bat.  my question is, how, exactly is the upper pad removed?  rip it off? cut it off? what does it look like after it is removed?  does the removal cause any physical or cosmetic 'damage'?

 

thanks to anyone who has performed this already.

 


Edited by Jo6Pak - 1/30/14 at 5:00am
post #808 of 905
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Originally Posted by Jo6Pak View Post
 

a question for anyone who has performed the following mod mentioned by radi9red on page 45:

 

"5. Improve sound dynamic - upon close inspection - i realise there are 2 thick cloth paddings stick on top of the driver.   you can remove the outer one (bigger) one first - which you will immediate notice that your dynamics and impact of all your sound frequencies improving."

 

i don't have my cans in hand yet as they are still in transit, but i am very interested in performing this mod right off the bat.  my question is, how, exactly is the upper pad removed?  rip it off? cut it off? what does it look like after it is removed?  does the removal cause any physical or cosmetic 'damage'?

 

thanks to anyone who has performed this already.

 

Hi, you can simply rip it off (with a little care). It is sticked to the plastic plate with a thin ring of glue. The removal don't cause any physical or cosmetical damage since the earpad covers that region. It's easy to unmake this mod.

 

This headphones have a smooth (maybe veiled) sound, that tends to be very open and relaxing without being dark. When I tried this particular mod, the sound became brighter, a bit more precise but also a tad more agressive.

 

Best Luck!

post #809 of 905

thanks for the response. they're 'out for delivery', so i should get my hands on them later today.  after a quick burn-in, i will see how they sound 'as is' and then decide if i should remove the padding.  it is my understanding, from reading many reviews, that the upper pad is actually designed to rest 'gently' against the ear. not sure i like that idea, regardless of how it sounds...

post #810 of 905

Got mine and they sound great out the box. Burn-in for a couple of days.

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