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post #331 of 870
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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post

 

I wanna try my Sony PHA-1 as a USB DAC/headphone amp with them and see how they do!!

 

How's that working out?  smile.gif

post #332 of 870
The more and more I hear a description of the Pios, they sound less like what the HD 650s actually sund like. Especially after warrenpchi's chart.
post #333 of 870

Mine are here!  First impression; nice and a fun listen but not as musically involving as my Hifiman RE-400 IEMs. Going to let these break in for a few weeks and do a real comparison. Overall satisfied with the purchase at this early point.

post #334 of 870
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

How's that working out?  smile.gif

 

The Sony PHA-1 drives them beautifully when set to high gain:

The mids are more coherent than any other portable I've tried except the HRT microStreamer, but the PHA-1 has more power - so of course there's more authority in the bass.

 

I love these headphones thus far.  They connect me to the music emotionally (most important for me) and have a nice amount of air between instruments/sounds.

 

I'm also waiting for them to break in!  I did the Warren G1 mod last night!!

post #335 of 870

Would these be a significant upgrade over the V-Mode Crossfade LP?  I bought these on the recent Amazon GB special for $75.  However, I'm still on the fence with them.  The 20 ft. cable is a turn off on the Pioneers though since I need something portable.  The LP's are good in that regard.  I also like a good amount of bass for electronic music which, again, the LP's are good at.

 

Thanks!

post #336 of 870

There is no point saying you get HD 650 at $45. From what impressions have been so far, these would be decent buys around $100 and can sell up to $150 or so. At $200 there is probably no market for them. So we are probably talking of HD 558 level as a can.

post #337 of 870
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Originally Posted by techboy View Post

There is no point saying you get HD 650 at $45. From what impressions have been so far, these would be decent buys around $100 and can sell up to $150 or so. At $200 there is probably no market for them. So we are probably talking of HD 558 level as a can.

Perhaps, but the SE-A1000 spanks my AKG K701 which still retails for $350 and is very similar in design. The correlation between price and quality is tenuous at best. I am very impressed and am happy to use the Pioneers as primary cans, regardless of price—I just returned $700+ worth of headphones to Best Buy (Denon D600 and Monster Inspire)
Edited by imagic - 7/10/13 at 2:00pm
post #338 of 870
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post


Perhaps, but the SE-A1000 spanks my AKG K701 which still retails for $350 and is very similar in design. The correlation between price and quality is tenuous at best. I am very impressed and am happy to use the Pioneers as primary cans, regardless of price—I just returned $700+ worth of headphones to Best Buy (Denon D600 and Monster Inspire)

 

I may be wrong, but it seems you've confused your preferences and have made an overall blanket statement on an otherwise 'superior' headphone (K701).  Obviously it's not right to say the K701 is better than the SE-A1000, but neither is the opposite.  It's like me saying the HD 600 spanks the SR325i, when in truth, it doesn't.  They just contain two totally different sound signatures which different people care for.

post #339 of 870
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Originally Posted by slowpickr View Post

I like a good amount of bass for electronic music

 

Would these be a significant upgrade over the V-Mode Crossfade LP?

 

Nope!  smile.gif

post #340 of 870
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Originally Posted by pez View Post

I may be wrong, but it seems you've confused your preferences and have made an overall blanket statement on an otherwise 'superior' headphone (K701).  Obviously it's not right to say the K701 is better than the SE-A1000, but neither is the opposite.  It's like me saying the HD 600 spanks the SR325i, when in truth, it doesn't.  They just contain two totally different sound signatures which different people care for.

I said what I meant, nothing more and nothing less. I've had two pairs of K701s for a long time now, and they got spanked. The K701 is one of the worst value propositions in headphones, and it is not that different-sounding from the SE-A1000, in terms of character. The K701 is a flawed product with a curious following—seems fans of those cans have a hard time understanding how little justification there is behind the high prices... or perhaps the AKG tax is merely subsidizing the Austrian standard of living? Either way, I stand by what I said and see nothing "superior" about the K701, except the attitudes of some owners and the profit margin.

The HD600 and SR325i are rather different headphones designs, and as a result each has a rather different sound signature. The 325i has a tendency to "etch" the HF content, which was thrilling at first but ultimately became annoying; they lasted about a month in my house, and ironically enough I bought the K701s to replace the 325i. But, more importantly the two sets of cans—that you own and are undoubtedly familiar with—exist at roughly the same price point. Because the A1000 can be had at 15% of the price of a K701, the fact that the AKG can't beat the Pioneer qualifies as a spanking. eek.gif

Plus, surely you've notice this thread compared the A1000 to the HD650, not the HD600 wink.gif

I have no issue with your philosophy. If you prefer to view things as different, never better or worse that's great—it's a philosophy. I make value judgements, you prefer relativism.
Edited by imagic - 7/11/13 at 3:59am
post #341 of 870
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post.

I have no issue with your philosophy. If you prefer to view things as different, never better or worse that's great—it's a philosophy.  I make value judgements, you prefer relativism.

 

This is great line.  Well said.


Edited by bce22 - 7/11/13 at 4:13am
post #342 of 870

according to ups tracking mine are out for delivery :)

post #343 of 870
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

I said what I meant, nothing more and nothing less. I've had two pairs of K701s for a long time now, and they got spanked. The K701 is one of the worst value propositions in headphones, and it is not that different-sounding from the SE-A1000, in terms of character. The K701 is a flawed product with a curious following—seems fans of those cans have a hard time understanding how little justification there is behind the high prices... or perhaps the AKG tax is merely subsidizing the Austrian standard of living? Either way, I stand by what I said and see nothing "superior" about the K701, except the attitudes of some owners and the profit margin.

The HD600 and SR325i are rather different headphones designs, and as a result each has a rather different sound signature. The 325i has a tendency to "etch" the HF content, which was thrilling at first but ultimately became annoying; they lasted about a month in my house, and ironically enough I bought the K701s to replace the 325i. But, more importantly the two sets of cans—that you own and are undoubtedly familiar with—exist at roughly the same price point. Because the A1000 can be had at 15% of the price of a K701, the fact that the AKG can't beat the Pioneer qualifies as a spanking. eek.gif

Plus, surely you've notice this thread compared the A1000 to the HD650, not the HD600 wink.gif

I have no issue with your philosophy. If you prefer to view things as different, never better or worse that's great—it's a philosophy. I make value judgements, you prefer relativism.

My overall point is that people are most likely going to claim the opposite of your opinion as well :-).
post #344 of 870
Mine re about to come soon. How do these compare to HD 558?
post #345 of 870

i chose the se-a1000 over the hd 558.

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