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post #316 of 895

As far as comfortability goes, how would you guys rate these?

post #317 of 895
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

Hey guys, got a lot of stuff to take care of here, so I'll probably be a little late with the impressions/comparisons.  I'll try to post a three-way between the SE-A1000, HD 650 and K240 sometime this weekend if I can.  smile.gif

 

Originally Posted by wink View Post
 

Give us detail and details.

 

Would like to know how resolving these puppies are....

 

Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

 

That'd be sweet. dt880smile.png

 

  Pioneer SE-A1000 Sennheiser HD 650 AKG K240 Studio
Sub-Bass Not great, could be better.  But the LF response does increase traversing up the frequency curve. Deeper than the SE-A1000, and a surprising amound of weight for open cans, very nice considering that. Very little to speak of.  Move along people, not much to see (hear) here.
Bass There is a mid-bass hump, but mostly neutral and accurate transitioning into the lower mids.  Somewhat reminiscent of my Q701, but not quite as fast or lean. Warm, full and authoritative with good weight - but somewhat lacking in speed and texture at times. Slightly (and I mean very slightly) less than the SE-A1000, but decidedly less weighty than the HD 650.  Overall, the bass response is very pleasing and even polite at times.
Lower Mids Competent and resolving, slightly lacking in levels, leading to a smooth and polite presentation. Softer and reserved-sounding at the bottom, opening up towards the top... pretty good for pop music but the tonal transition can be odd sounding for male tenor/contralto vocals. Easy and smooth, much like the HD 650.  Lacking in detail and speed vs the SE-A1000.
Upper Mids Forward and very well-articulated - but not shouty - with just a hint of grain.  Nearly seamless transition into the highs.  Kinda unforgiving of poor source material. Smooth and detailed at the same time.  In balance with the rest of the signature, and not recessed, though I would never say the come close to brightness. Very similar to the SE-A1000.  Forward, well-articulated, but not shouty or sibilant.  However, it's less resolving here and more forgiving of lesser sources.
Highs Breathy, with a abundant amount of air, in a smooth infinite taper (not noticeably rolled off). Soft, but noticeable roll-off short of airyness.  This is where there it contrasts the most vs the SE-A1000. Somewhere between the SE-A1000 and the HD 650, but closer to the SE-A1000.  There is a sense of air but not necessarily breathiness.
Soundstage & Imaging Wide and expansive, with a complmentary depth that is almost as deep.  Very good placement along the vertical axis.  Imaging is rather good. Intimate and forward.  Depth is reasonable, but lack of width doesn't quite suit my tastes. Forward like the HD 650 in that elements are rather close-up.  But also spacious like the SE-A1000 in that the stage itself - behind the instruments - seems to extend quite a bit far out.
Detail & Separation Excellent throughout the mids, especially for a pair of cans at this price point.  Though highs are a little splashy around cymbals and such.  HF decay characteristics could be tighter. Very respectable, considering how warm and intimate these cans are. While separation betwen instruments is good, detail retrieval sometimes takes a hit during complex passages.
Verdict - - If you've always considered the HD 650 too warm and dark for your tastes, and want something brighter and more airy, the SE-A1000 would be a good candidate for your needs. If you've always wanted something between the K240 and the 701/702 series, but been afraid of the clinical dryness inherent to the 701/702 series, the SE-A1000 would be a good alternative for you.

 

Hope that helps... smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

Actually, I'm reviewing a pair of cans that (rather amazingly) *almost* has that.  But it's $800, so it costs WAY more than the SE-A1000.

 

^ Exactly warren, that's the common misconception many have cuz who saids you can't have it all for cheap??? NONSENSE!!! 

 

My review on them should be out in the next day or two, but just in case you want to get a headstart on buying them... the uncompromising bass cans are the Perfect Sound D901.

post #318 of 895
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

Hope that helps... smile.gif

 

 

It absolutely does. Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together, Warren. I'm going to go ahead and digest this a bit, though I've already skimmed through it once.

 

I've still got to decide if I want these or not, though these impressions definitely swing the needle in the "give it a shot" direction. It had been going in the "think how much music you could buy instead" direction for a while there.

post #319 of 895
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  Pioneer SE-A1000 Sennheiser HD 650 AKG K240 Studio
Sub-Bass Not great, could be better.  But the LF response does increase traversing up the frequency curve. Deeper than the SE-A1000, and a surprising amound of weight for open cans, very nice considering that. Very little to speak of.  Move along people, not much to see (hear) here.
Bass There is a mid-bass hump, but mostly neutral and accurate transitioning into the lower mids.  Somewhat reminiscent of my Q701, but not quite as fast or lean. Warm, full and authoritative with good weight - but somewhat lacking in speed and texture at times. Slightly (and I mean very slightly) less than the SE-A1000, but decidedly less weighty than the HD 650.  Overall, the bass response is very pleasing and even polite at times.
Lower Mids Competent and resolving, slightly lacking in levels, leading to a smooth and polite presentation. Softer and reserved-sounding at the bottom, opening up towards the top... pretty good for pop music but the tonal transition can be odd sounding for male tenor/contralto vocals. Easy and smooth, much like the HD 650.  Lacking in detail and speed vs the SE-A1000.
Upper Mids Forward and very well-articulated - but not shouty - with just a hint of grain.  Nearly seamless transition into the highs.  Kinda unforgiving of poor source material. Smooth and detailed at the same time.  In balance with the rest of the signature, and not recessed, though I would never say the come close to brightness. Very similar to the SE-A1000.  Forward, well-articulated, but not shouty or sibilant.  However, it's less resolving here and more forgiving of lesser sources.
Highs Breathy, with a abundant amount of air, in a smooth infinite taper (not noticeably rolled off). Soft, but noticeable roll-off short of airyness.  This is where there it contrasts the most vs the SE-A1000. Somewhere between the SE-A1000 and the HD 650, but closer to the SE-A1000.  There is a sense of air but not necessarily breathiness.
Soundstage & Imaging Wide and expansive, with a complmentary depth that is almost as deep.  Very good placement along the vertical axis.  Imaging is rather good. Intimate and forward.  Depth is reasonable, but lack of width doesn't quite suit my tastes. Forward like the HD 650 in that elements are rather close-up.  But also spacious like the SE-A1000 in that the stage itself - behind the instruments - seems to extend quite a bit far out.
Detail & Separation Excellent throughout the mids, especially for a pair of cans at this price point.  Though highs are a little splashy around cymbals and such.  HF decay characteristics could be tighter. Very respectable, considering how warm and intimate these cans are. While separation betwen instruments is good, detail retrieval sometimes takes a hit during complex passages.
Verdict - - If you've always considered the HD 650 too warm and dark for your tastes, and want something brighter and more airy, the SE-A1000 would be a good candidate for your needs. If you've always wanted something between the K240 and the 701/702 series, but been afraid of the clinical dryness inherent to the 701/702 series, the SE-A1000 would be a good alternative for you.

 

Hope that helps... smile.gif

 

 

 

 

 

  

post #320 of 895
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

 

 

  

Yep...there is thorough and then there is Warren.

post #321 of 895

Looking forward to the Perfect Sound review...

post #322 of 895
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

  Pioneer SE-A1000 Sennheiser HD 650 AKG K240 Studio
Sub-Bass Not great, could be better.  But the LF response does increase traversing up the frequency curve. Deeper than the SE-A1000, and a surprising amound of weight for open cans, very nice considering that. Very little to speak of.  Move along people, not much to see (hear) here.
Bass There is a mid-bass hump, but mostly neutral and accurate transitioning into the lower mids.  Somewhat reminiscent of my Q701, but not quite as fast or lean. Warm, full and authoritative with good weight - but somewhat lacking in speed and texture at times. Slightly (and I mean very slightly) less than the SE-A1000, but decidedly less weighty than the HD 650.  Overall, the bass response is very pleasing and even polite at times.
Lower Mids Competent and resolving, slightly lacking in levels, leading to a smooth and polite presentation. Softer and reserved-sounding at the bottom, opening up towards the top... pretty good for pop music but the tonal transition can be odd sounding for male tenor/contralto vocals. Easy and smooth, much like the HD 650.  Lacking in detail and speed vs the SE-A1000.
Upper Mids Forward and very well-articulated - but not shouty - with just a hint of grain.  Nearly seamless transition into the highs.  Kinda unforgiving of poor source material. Smooth and detailed at the same time.  In balance with the rest of the signature, and not recessed, though I would never say the come close to brightness. Very similar to the SE-A1000.  Forward, well-articulated, but not shouty or sibilant.  However, it's less resolving here and more forgiving of lesser sources.
Highs Breathy, with a abundant amount of air, in a smooth infinite taper (not noticeably rolled off). Soft, but noticeable roll-off short of airyness.  This is where there it contrasts the most vs the SE-A1000. Somewhere between the SE-A1000 and the HD 650, but closer to the SE-A1000.  There is a sense of air but not necessarily breathiness.
Soundstage & Imaging Wide and expansive, with a complmentary depth that is almost as deep.  Very good placement along the vertical axis.  Imaging is rather good. Intimate and forward.  Depth is reasonable, but lack of width doesn't quite suit my tastes. Forward like the HD 650 in that elements are rather close-up.  But also spacious like the SE-A1000 in that the stage itself - behind the instruments - seems to extend quite a bit far out.
Detail & Separation Excellent throughout the mids, especially for a pair of cans at this price point.  Though highs are a little splashy around cymbals and such.  HF decay characteristics could be tighter. Very respectable, considering how warm and intimate these cans are. While separation betwen instruments is good, detail retrieval sometimes takes a hit during complex passages.
Verdict - - If you've always considered the HD 650 too warm and dark for your tastes, and want something brighter and more airy, the SE-A1000 would be a good candidate for your needs. If you've always wanted something between the K240 and the 701/702 series, but been afraid of the clinical dryness inherent to the 701/702 series, the SE-A1000 would be a good alternative for you.

 

Hope that helps... smile.gif

 

 

My review on them should be out in the next day or two, but just in case you want to get a headstart on buying them... the uncompromising bass cans are the Perfect Sound D901.

Very nice job and I can't wait till mine get here... UPS says Wednesday!!!

post #323 of 895
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Hope that helps... smile.gif

 

Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

 

It absolutely does. Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together, Warren. I'm going to go ahead and digest this a bit, though I've already skimmed through it once.

 

I've still got to decide if I want these or not, though these impressions definitely swing the needle in the "give it a shot" direction. It had been going in the "think how much music you could buy instead" direction for a while there.

 

Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

 

 

Originally Posted by Vespertine View Post
 

Yep...there is thorough and then there is Warren.

 

Originally Posted by morserotonin View Post
 

Very nice job and I can't wait till mine get here... UPS says Wednesday!!!

 

LOLOL!  biggrin.gif  Totally welcome, and thank you Sirs!  That made it all worth it!  Just wanted to add some more pure impressions to the thread for anyone that's interested.  I've also never been a fan of massive hype, especially giant killer massive hype ala Dsnuts style.  But having said that, I do think that the SE-A1000 is legitimately good on it's own, and absolutely great for the price.

 

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Originally Posted by morserotonin View Post

Looking forward to the Perfect Sound review...

 

I can already tell you that you've probably not heard anything like it in a long time, and that you're probably gonna want it.  Going to be working on the review tonight, but since I'll see you soon, wait until the meet to audition them.  smile.gif

post #324 of 895

Thanks for the writeup Warren.  They really are some nice cans. i love that wide soundstage! It is so intoxicating with the right music.

post #325 of 895
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excellent stuff Warren. Thanks for clearing things up, and explaining to a higher detail and how it compares to the 650. Awesome manbeerchug.gif... plain awesome 

post #326 of 895
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

LOLOL!  biggrin.gif  Totally welcome, and thank you Sirs!  That made it all worth it!  Just wanted to add some more pure impressions to the thread for anyone that's interested.  I've also never been a fan of massive hype, especially giant killer massive hype ala Dsnuts style.  But having said that, I do think that the SE-A1000 is legitimately good on it's own, and absolutely great for the price.

 

 

I can already tell you that you've probably not heard anything like it in a long time, and that you're probably gonna want it.  Going to be working on the review tonight, but since I'll see you soon, wait until the meet to audition them.  smile.gif

and I'm supposed to get mine TOMORROW!!

post #327 of 895
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Originally Posted by bce22 View Post

Thanks for the writeup Warren.  They really are some nice cans. i love that wide soundstage! It is so intoxicating with the right music.

 

Originally Posted by pichu View Post

excellent stuff Warren. Thanks for clearing things up, and explaining to a higher detail and how it compares to the 650. Awesome manbeerchug.gif... plain awesome

 

Thanks fellas!  smile.gif  And now that I think about it, both the SE-A1000 and the K240 are very good in terms of price vs performance.  The K240 often drops below the $70 price point when it goes on sale.

 

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and I'm supposed to get mine TOMORROW!!

 

Which one?  The SE-A1000 or the Perfect Sound d901?  Or both?  biggrin.gif

post #328 of 895
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

Thanks fellas!  smile.gif  And now that I think about it, both the SE-A1000 and the K240 are very good in terms of price vs performance.  The K240 often drops below the $70 price point when it goes on sale.

 

 

Which one?  The SE-A1000 or the Perfect Sound d901?  Or both?  biggrin.gif

 

Got my SE-A1000's!  After listening to Warren's I can tell these drivers need just to settle in for a bit, but I enjoy the sound very much right out the box.

They must've however, either changed their manufacturing/tooling at one point - because my clamps over the headband bars (that you open up to make

the strap tighter) have a different back.

 

I got stuck with the smallest_freakin' phillips!  LOL.  I'm on it...

 

and I'm on it because they sound so damn good w/ the HRT microStreamer!!

post #329 of 895
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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post

 

They must've however, either changed their manufacturing/tooling at one point - because my clamps over the headband bars (that you open up to make

the strap tighter) have a different back.

 

I got stuck with the smallest_freakin' phillips!  LOL.  I'm on it...

 

Nope, that totally sounds right.  I had to use a small Phillips too.  smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post

 

Got my SE-A1000's!  After listening to Warren's I can tell these drivers need just to settle in for a bit, but I enjoy the sound very much right out the box.

 

and I'm on it because they sound so damn good w/ the HRT microStreamer!!

 

FWIW, they take on a whole new life when you ram a schiit ton of power through them... the DarkStar in my case... try the Studio Six maybe?  wink.gif

post #330 of 895

OH yeah.  I'm only using the microStreamer because its warm in my office (put on the AC a little late).  Soon I should be crankin

up the Studio Six!!

 

I heard them first through the Studio Six this morning of course.

 

But you know what, for around 50 ohms - 57??  I can't believe how well the microStreamer runs em!

But I just put my RxMK3-B behind the microStreamer.

 

I wanna try my Sony PHA-1 as a USB DAC/headphone amp with them and see how they do!!

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