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post #46 of 62
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I don't think a different dac+amp is going to make a difference, the music makes me feel like I'm listening to it in monotone. I hope all high end headphones aren't as  "Good" sounding as this. The th900s are pushing my budget right now so maybe I'll try something else if anyone has any suggestions to headphones that actually have life to them?


Edited by coinmaster - 7/20/13 at 2:47pm
post #47 of 62
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I don't think a different dac+amp is going to make a difference,

I'm thinking that under some extent  it would, but not for the reasons that people commonly believe (i.e a more accurate source, or "higher quality"). Again if you have the opportunity to try an other  source, I don't want to discourage you from it.

Whatever floats your boat..

 

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the music makes me feel like I'm listening to it in monotone. I hope all high end headphones aren't as  "Good" sounding as this. The th900s are pushing my budget right now so maybe I'll try something else if anyone has any suggestions to headphones that actually have life to them?

Why not   considering the cheaper th-600, as I  explained the high price of th900 comes partly from the design choice (urichi paint). Otherwise the cheaper hd650, there are a lot of people that prefer it to the hd800 (it's quite different).

Or the most obvious competitor to the hd800, the beyer T1.

 

You didn't have any succes with eq ? You can also try the "annax mod" ( at innerfidelity, there's a tutorial).

 

Finally I'm thinking that going straight to high end headphone might be a mistake.

Trying cheaper stuff would help you to recognize what you like, or what's considered "quality".

Frankly it's only because I liked the srh940, and that some people stated that the hd800 share some similarities,

that I was tempted to get the hd800. But I find the srh940 easier to listen, at least since I've modded them.

 

Last remark: I don't think that the hd800 is the  first choice for house ,  techno, or rock.

For rock, usually people recommend grados.

Have you tried to listen some classical or jazz on your hd800 ?

post #48 of 62
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The music I listen to is kind of a unique mix of orchestra/rock/techno, I do notice the classical elements sound better but its still kind of lifeless.

post #49 of 62
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The music I listen to is kind of a unique mix of orchestra/rock/techno, I do notice the classical elements sound better but its still kind of lifeless.

All right , I don't know how to explain it better,  so I'll quote other people for you.

 

Even some headphone expert might don't like the hd800 :

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"The hd800 is probably technically  the best headphone I've ever measured , or even listen to, they are better imaging than any other headphones I've heard , BUT, they are to me SOULLESS."  Tyll Hertsens

 

For the sake of completeness, I 'll quote his later reaction to this statement:

 

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I have to admit, after listening to my HD 800 with Anaxilus mod through an ECP Audio L-2, I think I've found its soul.

 

Problem with the 800 is that it's somewhat clinical sounding, and assembling a rig that plays to its strengths is quite difficult.

 

Anywho, I LOVE their sound now.

 

The first quote comes from this interesting video (near 19min 34 ):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRyUOpFt1jI

 

Also there also an interesting review where the hd800 is rated:

Classical >65% / Jazz & Acoustic >20% / Rock <5%

So even if they are not bad for rock, they are clearly more adapted for classical.

 

The most  "versatile" headphone would be  rated 33% 33% 33%

http://www.head-fi.org/t/524569/review-20-headphones-compared

 

Still no luck with eq ?


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/20/13 at 7:43pm
post #50 of 62
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I hope all high end headphones aren't as  "Good" sounding as this.

Don't worry, it's really not. If you can't find the sound you like at the top end, try looking down a bit, this way you can put more towards dac and amp and probably will get better result than driving the top with mediocre source/amp.

post #51 of 62
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Don't worry, it's really not. If you can't find the sound you like at the top end, try looking down a bit, this way you can put more towards dac and amp and probably will get better result than driving the top with mediocre source/amp.


There's nothing that would substantiate that the odac+o2 he's using is "mediocre", beside price.

It's pure biased opinion.

post #52 of 62
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Well like I said I don't care for perfect sound I just want to enjoy the music, I enjoyed the razer tiamats just fine even though they are technically trash. I might try hitting up the T1 next perhaps and see how it goes, unless someone has any specific suggestions for my type of genre.

 

And no, so far eqs have only really made the hd800s sound worse :(


Edited by coinmaster - 7/20/13 at 11:59pm
post #53 of 62
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Well like I said I don't care for perfect sound I just want to enjoy the music

You fail to realize that something that is "perfect" for someone , may completely suck for you.

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, I enjoyed the razer tiamats just fine even though they are technically trash.

So why  do you bother with expensive headphone ? Finding a 300$ headphone that match your taste , might be more enjoyable for you than even the 5000$ stax 009.

Also it's possible that your mind is accustomed to either the se530, or you razer tiamats , and you keep being disappointed because the hd800 sound radically different.

You have to listen headphone with an "open mind".

 

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I might try hitting up the T1 next perhaps and see how it goes,

I think the T1 is a bad idea for you, they are bright just like the hd800.

I'm thinking that according to the genre you mentioned (rock, house, techno),

you'd want something with good bass. Also closed headphone have usually more bass, unless you get an orthodynamic , such like the audeze lcd2.

 

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And no, so far eqs have only really made the hd800s sound worse :(

I  don't use eq to make the hd800 sound radically different, just a bit more enjoyable and less fatiguing.

I'd just like to ensure you are  using a  good eq, or "reasonable" settings; because otherwise it shouldn't sound "worse".

post #54 of 62
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1. I'm replacing tiamat for an upgrade and because I can.

2. It has nothing to do with me being used to the tiamat. Even my shures disappoint me which I've used far more than my tiamats and the hd880s the way I'm hearing it are just flat out unbearable in any case since their is no musicality in them.

3. Bass has nothing to do with anything. Perhaps it might make it more enjoyable but it is not the reason I don't like any of my headphones since I've never listened to headphones with bass to begin with. I want something with good mids and highs with life to them so the "feeling" of the music is conveyed instead of just the sound. Bass is just a bonus.


Edited by coinmaster - 7/21/13 at 2:43pm
post #55 of 62
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3. Bass has nothing to do with anything. Perhaps it might make it more enjoyable but it is not the reason I don't like any of my headphones since I've never listened to headphones with bass to begin with. I want something with good mids and highs with life to them so I the "feeling" of the music is conveyed instead of just the sound. Bass is just a bonus.

All right, the fostex th-900 I've suggested , does not have bad mids or treble, it just happen that the bass is their strongest point.

Just like the mids could be considered the strongest point of the hd800 (well, I'd think).

Since mids & treble are you main area of interest, I suggest you try:

- the beyer T1

- the srh940

- the k701/k702/q701 (similar models)

 

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the hd880s the way I'm hearing it are just flat out unbearable in any case since their is no musicality in them.

 

Unfortunately "lack of musicality" is hard to define,

I 'd suggest for this,  either you get some colored source, that' ll  give back life to your hd800 (I've seen some raving for the zana deux)

or try some grado with unusual  frequency response, but they have fans ( the top end of grados, is more expensive than your hd800).

 

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I'm replacing tiamat for an upgrade and because I can.

It's fine, it's not because I'm suggesting something in the 300$ range, that it's not "an upgrade".

post #56 of 62

I think I understand what could be considered as the "lack of musicality" of hd800.

It's what's what would be considered as their strongest point: the very short decay (each note that are played, are not sustained very long on time).

Probably using a tube or stuff like this would help.

But I'm thinking that you'd just like more  the srh940, that doesn't have  such characteristic.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/22/13 at 6:06pm
post #57 of 62
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I wouldn't know, I would need my tiamats here as a reference to understand why I like them over the 800s. I don't have money to spare on a better dac or amp so I guess I'll get to selling these. I keep trying to like them but I can never bear to listen to them for more than a few minutes. Don't suppose anyone wants a pair oh hd800s do they? :P

post #58 of 62

Just imagined a mod, pretty easy to do, at least much easier than the anax mod (and much easier to undo):

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/3900#post_9642447

 

You could give it a try before you sell the hd800.

 

Otherwise there's the "more official" mod, but more sophisticated:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/diy-modification-sennheiser-hd-800-anaxilus-mod

 

Well with my mod , the hd800 are much more relaxing than before.

It's as if the hd800 was shouting piercing high on my ears before, and I've eliminated an "aural pressure".

post #59 of 62
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. Don't suppose anyone wants a pair oh hd800s do they? :P

It would sell here pretty well here, and you won't  have to reduce a lot the price if they are in perfect conditions.

You could remove something like 200$, and this would have a psychological factor , as  the round price of 1500$ is something a bit discouraging for a lot of people.

Some people prefer to buy the hd700 for 1000^$, but it's not exactly same.

 

EDIT:

I meant here:

http://www.head-fi.org/f/6550/headphones-for-sale-trade

 

 

You could also exchange your hd800 against a T1 here.

 

But  please give a last try with my easy  mod  (or the anax one) before you do, and give me your impressions.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/24/13 at 8:30am
post #60 of 62
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In the middle of trying to sell my hd800s right now. I'm learning to appreciate them more, not because I'm starting to like their sound but more because I'm starting to forget what my tiamats sounded like. While listening to my music the tiamats gave me a "wow" factor while the hd800s leave me indifferent. "Soulless" is definitely the right word for how I view the hd800s.

I'm using the odac+o2 right now, would upgrading to $1000+ dacs and amps be worth the price or is the difference too marginal?

I keep reading that upgrades from this point on are largely subjected to diminishing returns.

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