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post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by coinmaster View Post

I've tried listening to different genres, using equalizers,etc. I'm just not impressed by the hd800s at all. There's nothing  special or high quality about the sound I'm hearing. The sound is too meshed together and unclear for the most part and it just doesn't sound like what I expected high quality sound would. Maybe I was expecting too much? I was thinking one of the best headphones in the world would give me sound like I've never heard before and I'm no audiophile so the razer tiamat and the shure 535s are about the best I've heard.
Perhaps I need to spend more than $300 on an amp+dac to make them sound good?

Well, it might not be obvious for everyone why the hd800 sound good. Although they do not lack clarity for me.
These are not fun headphones, some even call them "soulless".
From what I've heard , the "bottlehead crack" is the cheap and easy solution to get that missing soul back.
Anyways the hd800 is a headphone that can be confusing for a lot of people, and even with a good amp, you'd see that not everyone like it.
The hd800 is like an art exposition, wih great expensive paints, but a bit too "elitist" for the average guy.
Personnally, if I could, I'd get a fostex th900, or some used denon d7000.
Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/18/13 at 10:24pm
post #32 of 62
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Got any recommendations for fun and even bright sounding headphones? Price is not an issue considering I can sell these for more than I bought them.

post #33 of 62
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Got any recommendations for fun and even bright sounding headphones? Price is not an issue considering I can sell these for more than I bought them.

There are plenty of good headphone, my guess it that bassy stuff please more easily (hence the fostex th900 suggestion , which is the high end of closed cans).

 

If I look at the ratings at goldenears.net website, the hd800  compare favorably to  your se530, it's just that the hd800 is bright, and you might don't like that .

 

Before you completely give up with eq,

I suggest you try these settings / eq combination:

HD800's with software EQ - Sounds good man!

My HD800 never sounded this good!

post #34 of 62
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

There are plenty of good headphone, my guess it that bassy stuff please more easily (hence the fostex th900 suggestion , which is the high end of closed cans).

 

If I look at the ratings at goldenears.net website, the hd800  compare favorably to  your se530, it's just that the hd800 is bright, and you might don't like that .

 

Before you completely give up with eq,

I suggest you try these settings / eq combination:

HD800's with software EQ - Sounds good man!

My HD800 never sounded this good!

 

Well I listen to a lot of house/techno/rock/lots of vocals and the only words I have to describe how the hd800 reproduces them is completely and utterly boring, there is no life in the music it's just kind of "there" and it's almost fatiguing. Even what would normally be my favorite songs are unbearable to listen to.

I'll give that equalizer a try, I'd rather explore all options as well before I give them up considering they are cool headphones to have if nothing else.

I've never listened to bassy headphones so I have no idea if I would enjoy them or not, I'm not looking for the MOST AMAZING sound or anything I just want to enjoy my music, hence why I actually enjoyed my razer tiamat more than anything else so far for music when I put it in surround mode, I still can't figure out why.

post #35 of 62
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Originally Posted by coinmaster View Post

 

Well I listen to a lot of house/techno/rock/lots of vocals and the only words I have to describe how the hd800 reproduces them is completely and utterly boring, there is no life in the music it's just kind of "there" and it's almost fatiguing. Even what would normally be my favorite songs are unbearable to listen to.

I'll give that equalizer a try, I'd rather explore all options as well before I give them up considering they are cool headphones to have if nothing else.

Yes techno is a bit disappointing with the hd800, especially if you compare to iems (and your se530 especially).

In fact I  didn't find techno satisfying in any of my full size headphones (hd25, hd595, srh940, hd800),

but I  don't find the performance of hd800 bad compared to my other headphones.

If you are looking for the best bass, there are other options than the hd800.

 

But I  don't want to mislead you. You'd see lot of people claiming that the source can make a "night & day" difference for the  hd800, and you are free to try this path.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/19/13 at 3:29pm
post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by coinmaster View Post

 

Well I listen to a lot of house/techno/rock/lots of vocals and the only words I have to describe how the hd800 reproduces them is completely and utterly boring, there is no life in the music it's just kind of "there" and it's almost fatiguing. Even what would normally be my favorite songs are unbearable to listen to.

I'll give that equalizer a try, I'd rather explore all options as well before I give them up considering they are cool headphones to have if nothing else.

I've never listened to bassy headphones so I have no idea if I would enjoy them or not, I'm not looking for the MOST AMAZING sound or anything I just want to enjoy my music, hence why I actually enjoyed my razer tiamat more than anything else so far for music when I put it in surround mode, I still can't figure out why.


See http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13 search for "euphonic", pick your poison.

post #37 of 62
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Sadly the only ones with the label of "euphonic" on that list are even more expensive than my hd800s.

 

I don't know, now that I know "good sound" isn't tied in with "enjoyment" things are getting a little bit too complicated for me and I don't have the audiophile vocabulary to express what it is that I want. I don't want to keep buying and shipping back headphones, I might just get myself another sound card and tiamat at this point.

 

The tiamats gave "life" to my music, it wasn't just "sound" I don't know how to put it exactly but it just made me go "wow".  But hd800s are beyond disappointing in this respect, the only thing good I can say about them is that they are accurate.


Edited by coinmaster - 7/20/13 at 8:55am
post #38 of 62

garbage in garbage out, hd800 is about the most transparent headphone in the planet, it will reveal all the flaw in your chain (source-dac-amp) without mercy. they've been known to be like that for ages and now you know it first hand.

 

as for euphonic phone, HD650 is a safe and fairly priced bet (if not boring for some) and will play nicely even with mediocre chain.

post #39 of 62
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Well the o2+odac are supposed to be completely transparent and I've already ruled out my music recordings as the issue. How about the TH900? Are they just an hd800 with bass or are they actually different?


Edited by coinmaster - 7/20/13 at 9:39am
post #40 of 62

Haven't heard one, but from all the review I've read there's no indication that it sound the same as HD800. TH900 seems to be the classic v-shaped top end cans.

 

Though I don't know how transparent or amp dependent they are and if it's alright to drive it straight out of sound card.

post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

garbage in garbage out, hd800 is about the most transparent headphone in the planet, it will reveal all the flaw in your chain (source-dac-amp) without mercy. they've been known to be like that for ages and now you know it first hand.

 

as for euphonic phone, HD650 is a safe and fairly priced bet (if not boring for some) and will play nicely even with mediocre chain.

Well , my theory , is that the hd800 need some kind of overpriced garbage to be more enjoyable biggrin.gif ( all kind of coloration / distortion from the source).

From what I've heard the very expensive amp hdvd800 have an output impedance of 43 ohms, which might contribute to tame the treble a bit (or make it more bearable).

The o2+dac have an output impedance of 0.54 ohm, so no mercy regarding the treble.

You can raise artificially the output impedance of  your source, by inserting some volume adjustor between  headphone & source (like koss vc20)

this really tame the treble (I  tried), but I'm unsure the result is better than eq (or if it's optimal).

 

@coinmaster

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How about the TH900? Are they just an hd800 with bass or are they actually different?

Here's more explanation of why I've suggested the  fostex TH900. They was a time denon was producing very beautiful headphones ( D2000, D5000, D7000),

and that got a high satisfaction ratio among people that bought them. These are a bit fun, and easy to drive ( now I understand by easy to drive,  that actually   you don't need to put some overpriced  non transparent sources,  to make it more "fun" or enjoyable, but that's my theory) , and there was a time they were sold at pretty good price at amazon (now prices have been  multiplied by 2). Actually it was fostex that was producing  these headphones for denon as an oem manufacturer. One day denon decided to stop their  commercial relation with fostex , and released a new denon line. They tried to imitate the monster beat commercial success, by making their headphone portables, and some similar design choices.  Unfortunately the new denon line is ugly for a lot of people, and some think they sound bad ( not everyone, you might like the D600).

So if you want the "new" original denon, you have to look at the new fostex models, with similar design as previous denon line.

The fostex th-900 is very expensive, partly because of the "urushi paint" (some kind of japanese stuff, that is precious).

You can  look also to the cheaper fostex th-600 , that doesn't have that urushi paint (look for reviews, for th-600 vs th-900 comparisons).


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/20/13 at 11:07am
post #42 of 62

violectric v200 which is said to be one of the amp to go for hd800 has less than 1 ohm OI. if only amplifier's sound can be so easily summed like that.

post #43 of 62
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Originally Posted by laon View Post

violectric v200 which is said to be one of the amp to go for hd800 has less than 1 ohm OI. if only amplifier's sound can be so easily summed like that.

Well acording to some "die hard objectivist" (NwAvGuy), the violectric V200 have similar performances to the O2.

Anyways I don't find that much raving regarding the v200 + hd800 here , I more see people that keep repeating : dna startus ! burson ! zana deux !

Off course the amp that gets  more shouts must be the best biggrin.gif


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/20/13 at 12:11pm
post #44 of 62
Thread Starter 

I notice that if I turn down the amp low and turn the player volume up there is more clarity and it's more enjoyable although not by enough to matter, is this an indication of anything?

post #45 of 62
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I notice that if I turn down the amp low and turn the player volume up there is more clarity and it's more enjoyable although not by enough to matter, is this an indication of anything?

You mean a softawre player on your pc ?

This probably indicate that the signal is cleaner this way.

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