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Originally Posted by meyner View Post

btw what are you even looking for in headphones? HD800 is the ultimate headphone for music reproduction with accuracy and neutrality outside of stax but do you know if you prefer such headphones? Have you tried colored/more musical headphones? I remember auditing the HD800 and i found it very impressive but very boring at the same time. I had a much stronger preference to the more musical and colored HE-500 and LCD 2.2. If you are unfamiliar with what i am talking about i do not think its a good idea to suddenly buy HD800 not knowing your personal preferences well. Such things are very important in my opinion when it comes to the high end flagship headphone purchases

 

I've listened to the shure 940 as well and i think they good phones but i find the shure 840's to be much better value but to each his own.

I like neutrality and "fullness" with good sound stage, so I would assume the hd800s are a good fit. I just ordered a pair of hd800s by accident (my hand was hovering over the "place order" button for too long :P) so I'm going to try them out. Hopefully the o2+odac will drive them well enough.

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I like neutrality and "fullness" with good sound stage, so I would assume the hd800s are a good fit. I just ordered a pair of hd800s by accident (my hand was hovering over the "place order" button for too long :P) so I'm going to try them out. Hopefully the o2+odac will drive them well enough.

Well, you just opened the pandora box. Let's hope you quickly reach satisfaction.

post #18 of 62

btw the place you ordered from. Do they have a good return policy?

post #19 of 62

now to get a decware or woo and the whole shebang...welcome to headfi !!!

 

Have u considered trading in yor shure 535 for a Westone4R? good separation n clarity. 

post #20 of 62
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Originally Posted by Ezio View Post

If its for gaming or movie purposes, try the Razer Tiamat 7.1.

Also check out the Sony MDR-1R, Sennheisser Momentums, and the V-Moda M-100

The Tiamat 7.1 is a total waste of money sound wise. The Cacharias is decent, almost worth its money.


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I'm actually losing my mind a little bit because I'm considering buying the hd800s....after I just spent over 6 grand on a computer. I need to know before I end up doing something stupid. Are the hd800s worth the price over the shure 940s?

Ok I have got to ask, how the hell did you spend 6k on a computer? Try the 800s. If you don't like them try beyers T1. Its as good but a bit more fun.

At 6K invested, by all means, go for another grand in headphones. When the computer is junk in 6 years because of new tech, you still have state of the art headphones. They can last you 30 years if you treat them right.
post #21 of 62
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The Tiamat 7.1 is a total waste of money sound wise. The Cacharias is decent, almost worth its money.
Ok I have got to ask, how the hell did you spend 6k on a computer? Try the 800s. If you don't like them try beyers T1. Its as good but a bit more fun.

At 6K invested, by all means, go for another grand in headphones. When the computer is junk in 6 years because of new tech, you still have state of the art headphones. They can last you 30 years if you treat them right.

 

No offense to you my friend, but in all of the gaming headsets ive owned, the Tiamat 7.1 stands out as the best.

 

Best used in games with intense environments, where detail is extremely important to prevent from dying. Such as BF3, Mafia II, etc.

 

I've tried the Steelseries Siberia V2, Steelseries FLUX, Razer Megalodon, Razer Kraken, Razer Orca, Steelseries Siberia, Skullcandy SLYR, etc, etc. And comparing the Tiamat against them, the Tiamat gives more life and detail to games.

 

Though i agree on one thing, it is NOT for music, or portability. But for gamers such as i, the Tiamat is the king of kings.

post #22 of 62
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No offense to you my friend, but in all of the gaming headsets ive owned, the Tiamat 7.1 stands out as the best.

Best used in games with intense environments, where detail is extremely important to prevent from dying. Such as BF3, Mafia II, etc.

I've tried the Steelseries Siberia V2, Steelseries FLUX, Razer Megalodon, Razer Kraken, Razer Orca, Steelseries Siberia, Skullcandy SLYR, etc, etc. And comparing the Tiamat against them, the Tiamat gives more life and detail to games.

Though i agree on one thing, it is NOT for music, or portability. But for gamers such as i, the Tiamat is the king of kings.

You haven't tried the MMX 300. It seriously is the best gaming headset ever. wink.gif I personally think the Siberia V2 is pretty good. I extensively triend out the tiamat but it really doesn't do anything really good for me. 10 drivers? I'd go with 2 expensive drivers and not 10 cheap ones. They must be cheap to get to that final price. The bass quantity was nice, for for any competitive use I'd have to EQ the bass out big time so I don't go deaf.

Now, more on multi driver headsets: It can never work well because to actually locate sound sources, you need: A head, a torso, phase information, timing information. With todays DSPs its possible to simulate this, but only for one set of "standard" ears. Seems yours are very close to those standard ears if you are getting good results. It didn't work for me at all. I wanted to like it, it looks very awesome.

edit: I game FPS between 1 and 5 hours per day. Sound is only important in close quarters combat. Learn to aim, learn the game, learn your enemy. Only then you will actually be relaxed enough to use sound to its fullest. Then its important.
Edited by ev13wt - 7/3/13 at 5:47pm
post #23 of 62
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You haven't tried the MMX 300. It seriously is the best gaming headset ever. wink.gif I personally think the Siberia V2 is pretty good. I extensively triend out the tiamat but it really doesn't do anything really good for me. 10 drivers? I'd go with 2 expensive drivers and not 10 cheap ones. They must be cheap to get to that final price. The bass quantity was nice, for for any competitive use I'd have to EQ the bass out big time so I don't go deaf.

Now, more on multi driver headsets: It can never work well because to actually locate sound sources, you need: A head, a torso, phase information, timing information. With todays DSPs its possible to simulate this, but only for one set of "standard" ears. Seems yours are very close to those standard ears if you are getting good results. It didn't work for me at all. I wanted to like it, it looks very awesome.

edit: I game FPS between 1 and 5 hours per day. Sound is only important in close quarters combat, its overrated for competition. Learn to aim, learn the game, learn your enemy.

 

I've been a gamer for 8 years now. And i'd like to do some research on this "MMX300" of yours.. I'll check them out and compare them to my tiamat. And also, i'm not an FPS player, im more of a RPG, RTS or MMO kind of guy. (but i do play half-life, cs:go etc)

post #24 of 62
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Originally Posted by Ezio View Post

I've been a gamer for 8 years now. And i'd like to do some research on this "MMX300" of yours.. I'll check them out and compare them to my tiamat. And also, i'm not an FPS player, im more of a RPG, RTS or MMO kind of guy. (but i do play half-life, cs:go etc)

Do that, they are very, very close to Beyerdynamics dt 770. I have the mmx in the 600 Ohm version.

I've been gaming since 22 years. Yes, I played the first ms flight simulator, wolfenstein 3d when it came out and stunts. gg.
Edited by ev13wt - 7/3/13 at 6:14pm
post #25 of 62
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So I have the hd800s with the odac+o2 and I'm not noticing anything difference with the odac+o2 compared to onboard sound other than the fact that it gets a little louder. It actually seems like the clarity is worse on the odac+o2 and I get the distinct feeling like the odac isn't driving my headphones hard enough. Do I have a defective unit or does the odac just suck for the hd800s?

My shure 535s are beating the hd800s in every respect other than soundstage.

post #26 of 62
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Originally Posted by coinmaster View Post

So I have the hd800s with the odac+o2 and I'm not noticing anything difference with the odac+o2 compared to onboard sound other than the fact that it gets a little louder. It actually seems like the clarity is worse on the odac+o2 and I get the distinct feeling like the odac isn't driving my headphones hard enough. Do I have a defective unit or does the odac just suck for the hd800s?

 

Well, I never heard that odac+o2 (probably like my xonar stx)  , but usual source recommendation  for the hd800 are in the 500$ - 2000$ range.

You can find all kind of "informed" opinions (looks a lot like wine tasting to me)

on this thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/643740/team-hd800-challenge

 

EDIT: it's weird that your onboard soundcard sound better though. Maybe you  are improperly using the odac+o2 .

 

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My shure 535s are beating the hd800s in every respect other than soundstage.

Really ? Come on, try different kind of music. I'm sure classical music would sound better on the hd800, it's the genre they are supposed to be best (and jazz too).

I also love dark ambient on them.

I'd think that the hd800 are more detailed than your se535.

 

Anyways , it's sad what happen to you.

Like other tried to explain before, despite the "overwhelming" number of qualities that the hd800 have;  it's just a better idea to try them before you buy them.

In my case, I've listened the hd800 in the store, and I was quite hesitating to buy  them (eh, I wanted to make a gift to myself).

 

You have four options:

1) try a "better" source, in the hope that the hd800 would match better your taste

2) listen to different kind of music, or just take time to "understand" the hd800 sound

3) use an eq

4)  buy an other headphone

 

In the appreciation thread for the HDV800  amp, it was  funny to read someone complaining that the hd800 didn't sound much better than his hd598 (hd800 + hdv800 = 3500$ !)

Typical argument is "law of diminishing returns" , or in my own words, how much are you ready to spend for small improvements here & there.

If you have some money to burn, I guess you'd hesitate less.

 

You decide, you've just opened the pandora box.

Let me know, if you found a solution.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/15/13 at 3:32pm
post #27 of 62
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Well the issue I'm having is my shure 535 sound much clearer and have better sound separation and also have more presence to them. So I don't know if its my headphones, my amp, or what. I got the hd800s for 1200 so I can easily sell them on amazon for at least that if I wanted to sell them.

post #28 of 62
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Originally Posted by coinmaster View Post

Well the issue I'm having is my shure 535 sound much clearer and have better sound separation and also have more presence to them. So I don't know if its my headphones, my amp, or what. I got the hd800s for 1200 so I can easily sell them on amazon for at least that if I wanted to sell them.


Curious, the hd800 has excellent separation.

I  didn't hear the se535, but I'd think the hd800 has the best separation I've ever heard.

post #29 of 62
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Originally Posted by Ezio View Post

 

I've been a gamer for 8 years now. And i'd like to do some research on this "MMX300" of yours.. I'll check them out and compare them to my tiamat. And also, i'm not an FPS player, im more of a RPG, RTS or MMO kind of guy. (but i do play half-life, cs:go etc)

 

I am actually looking to sell my MMX300, if you are interested. It has been used for less than 50 hours. Reverting to the SQ of it, I played war3 semi-professionally for 7 years, and wow for 5 years. I am quite confident to say MMX300 is the best headset that I have used by far.
post #30 of 62
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I've tried listening to different genres, using equalizers,etc. I'm just not impressed by the hd800s at all. There's nothing  special or high quality about the sound I'm hearing. The sound is too meshed together and unclear for the most part and it just doesn't sound like what I expected high quality sound would. Maybe I was expecting too much? I was thinking one of the best headphones in the world would give me sound like I've never heard before and I'm no audiophile so the razer tiamat and the shure 535s are about the best I've heard.

Perhaps I need to spend more than $300 on an amp+dac to make them sound good?

There's a very small, almost unnoticeable difference between my  o2+odac and my onboard sound.


Edited by coinmaster - 7/19/13 at 3:08am
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