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post #196 of 371
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

Yeah. 

 

My pair works perfectly fine and there hasn't been any widespread reports of build quality issues.  Two anecdotal incidences don't constitute a widespread problem, and I searched the X1 thread and saw no other mentions of bass rattle. 

 

The driver matching is fine and comparable to the other headphones I've tried.  Pricier headphones still fluctuate on high frequencies, and it's not something you'll ever hear outside of a frequency sweep.

did you try bass shaker test on that page using an amp and high volume ??

post #197 of 371
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Originally Posted by anonymous cat View Post
 

did you try bass shaker test on that page using an amp and high volume ??

 

Yes.  I run that test on all my headphones. 

post #198 of 371
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Originally Posted by Unr3aL View Post


Does it really leak that much? Until now I had a Sennheiser PC 165 USB Headset which is also open. When I turned up the volume to something I personally wouldn't stand long-term my girlfriend complained...
For normal listening on mid volume it was ok for her.

Can I expect the same from the X1s?

Greetz, Unr3aL

 

 

With my normal listening volume the sound leaking from my X1 is equivalent to my laptop speaker (nothing fancy) playing @ ~15-18% volume.  If someones in the same room they will hear it.

post #199 of 371
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

Yes.  I run that test on all my headphones. 

well chicolom i don't want to debate but 

 

1- i bought the x1 a week ago from UK

2- my friend bought it from germany 4 months ago

3- my right driver rattle first followed by the left one on increasing volume

4- my friend's left driver rattled 1st followed by right rattling on increasing volume 

5- we are not talking about 2 headphones we are talking about 4 speakers

 

thats a hell of coincidences .. may be you want to try that test again .. anyway if anyone read my problem other than chicolom and can test my theory i will truly appreciate it

 

you need the bass shaker test from the address previously mention / x1 fidelio headphone / amp or avr / very high volume

 

i know this is not a help thread so you can inbox me the result

post #200 of 371
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thats a hell of coincidences .. may be you want to try that test again ..

 

I just tried it again today and it's fine. 

 

FYI, if you play that test at high enough volume (or high volume + an amp with bass boost turned ON) than ANY headphone will rattle and on both sides.  Headphones are not designed to produce sub bass at a very high volume, and if you force them to past a certain point they will rattle and eventually make an alarming clattering noise.  This is where warnings about bass "damaging your speakers" come in to play. 

post #201 of 371
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I just tried it again today and it's fine. 

FYI, if you play that test at high enough volume (or high volume + an amp with bass boost turned ON) than ANY headphone will rattle and on both sides.  Headphones are not designed to produce sub bass at a very high volume, and if you force them to past a certain point they will rattle and eventually make an alarming clattering noise.  This is where warnings about bass "damaging your speakers" come in to play. 

well that is what i meant .. i simply pushed the speakers to the limits .. lol still thinking about it and can't get it from my head .. afraid to keep the headphones that might be faulty and in the same time afraid to send it back for a replacement while it is not faulty and i will have to pay taxes and shipping

anyway thanx for the help chicolom .. i will have to figure this on my own
post #202 of 371
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well i might have agreed to your opinion couple of hours ago .. but i went to a friend happen to have the x1 fidelio too and i tried his headphones and the right speaker have no problem at all but the left one developed the same rattle like mine .. soooo do you still think the build quality is alright .. at least the two drivers should be matched 

so i think that these headphones under high stress and high volume using amp while playing deep low frequency bass rattles and is not fit for these low frequencies at high volume .. both my gardo s80i and sennheiser hd 202 didn't develop such rattle .. i also thinks philips poorly match these drivers

some may say that i pushed the speakers to the limits using a synthetic pattern  and not heard normally among songs or movies but remain the fact that much less priced headphones  succeeded in what the x1 failed so i don't think that my new headphones is faulty neither my friend's .. so if you please can help me and try to replicate the conditions and tell me whether this is normal or abnormal so i can take a decision of replacing the headphones or not
http://www.audiocheck.net/soundtests_headphones.php
the test is called bass shaker try it using an amp or avr on high volume and you will hear the rattle in the 1st 5 seconds and the end of the clip
if you didnt hear it in the 1st 5 seconds increase volume and i am sure you will hear it

I tried every test on that audio check website and my X1 passed all the tests. I did not hear any rattling that you speak of and the high frequency sweep had very minimal fluctuation. I am very happy with my X1. Maybe you sould return yours for an exchange or a refund.
post #203 of 371
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I tried every test on that audio check website and my X1 passed all the tests. I did not hear any rattling that you speak of and the high frequency sweep had very minimal fluctuation. I am very happy with my X1. Maybe you sould return yours for an exchange or a refund.

did you try it on amp or audio video reciever thx1000 ?? and max the volume

as this is my normal listening mode

 

i tried the test on ipad and mobile with no rattle

 

 

anyway well i was deciding to keep it but after hearing the conjuring and paranormal activity i sometimes hear crackles in low frequency parts .. the problem is what if i replaced the headphones to discover that the new one is the same .. i think i will ask for a refund until i visit uk again

post #204 of 371
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did you try it on amp or audio video reciever thx1000 ?? and max the volume
as this is my normal listening mode

i tried the test on ipad and mobile with no rattle

anyway well i was deciding to keep it but after hearing the conjuring and paranormal activity i sometimes hear crackles in low frequency parts .. the problem is what if i replaced the headphones to discover that the new one is the same .. i think i will ask for a refund until i visit uk again

Why do you max the volume? Are you deaf or is your goal to become deaf?

I did all the tests yesterday on my iPhone 5s at 75% volume straight to my X1. When I get home from work today, I may try the tests at max volume on my iPhone, iPod, iMac, JDS Labs C5, THX A/V receiver, all of my headphones/IEM/earbuds/7.1 home theater speakers.

Since you already decided you do not like the Philips Fidelio X1, just return it for a refund and get something else.
post #205 of 371
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Why do you max the volume? Are you deaf or is your goal to become deaf?

I did all the tests yesterday on my iPhone 5s at 75% volume straight to my X1. When I get home from work today, I may try the tests at max volume on my iPhone, iPod, iMac, JDS Labs C5, THX A/V receiver, all of my headphones/IEM/earbuds/7.1 home theater speakers.

Since you already decided you do not like the Philips Fidelio X1, just return it for a refund and get something else.

 

no actually i love the x1 .. the point is i mainly use it in watching movies but movie's dialogue played on that headphone is much lower than my sennheiser hd202 so i try to increase the volume .. if you actually try these headphones on the iphone with movies you will see that sometimes when volume is at 100 % the dialogue volume is not that loud like songs and mp3s

 

so the x1 is simply plugged in the av receiver and i usually crank the volume not to max but to good audible dialogue and i prefer it on the loud side but not that stupid loud

 

i did another test using my ipad and tonido app to play the conjuring movie at max volume on my ipad and at minute 32:50 i heard a buzz and crackle for a fraction of second

i think that is not normal at all ( inspite of horror supernatural movie producers tends to use that very deep bass level but i think i shouldn't hear a rattle at this level )

 

also paranormal activity series developed that rattle in multiple parts .. the left driver rattles but at a much higher volume that normally i do not use 

 

i am gonna send it back for a refund as if i send it for a replacement i am not sure the pair they will send me is to my likening and this also will cost me half price i paid as shipping and duties

post #206 of 371
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did you try it on amp or audio video reciever thx1000 ?? and max the volume

as this is my normal listening mode

 

i tried the test on ipad and mobile with no rattle

 

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Originally Posted by thx1000 View Post

Why do you max the volume? Are you deaf or is your goal to become deaf?

I did all the tests yesterday on my iPhone 5s at 75% volume straight to my X1. When I get home from work today, I may try the tests at max volume on my iPhone, iPod, iMac, JDS Labs C5, THX A/V receiver, all of my headphones/IEM/earbuds/7.1 home theater speakers.

 

Running tests off an ipod at max volume may be OK, but please - do NOT run your X1s at MAX volume off a powerful amplifier - especially while playing sub bass tests. 

 

That bass test is designed for identifying if a particular driver is producing abnormal buzzing/rattling at a normal listening level - that's it.

It's NOT for seeing how much sub-bass you can force from the driver by turning it up to dangerous levels. 

 

Like I said earlier:

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Headphones are not designed to produce sub bass at a very high volume, and if you force them to past a certain point they will rattle and eventually make an alarming clattering noise.  This is where warnings about bass "damaging your speakers" come in to play. 

 

If maxing out the volume while playing sub bass curiously sounds like it's distressing the drivers, that's because IT IS.

I thought it was common sense not to do this, but sub-bass + amplifier at max volume = a recipe for blowing drivers. 

 

Just a warning...


Edited by chicolom - 11/7/13 at 2:40am
post #207 of 371
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Running tests off an ipod at max volume may be OK, but please - do NOT run your X1s at MAX volume off a powerful amplifier - especially while playing sub bass tests. 

That bass test is designed for identifying if a particular driver is producing abnormal buzzing/rattlingat a normal listening level - that's it.
It's NOT for seeing how much sub-bass you can force from the driver by turning it up to dangerous levels. 

Like I said earlier:

If maxing out the volume while playing sub bass curiously sounds like it's distressing the drivers, that's because IT IS.
I thought it was common sense not to do this, but sub-bass + amplifier at max volume = a recipe for blowing drivers. 

Just a warning...

Thanks for the warning. I have NO intention of playing anything at MAX volume on any of my precious audio/video equipment. I learned many years ago when I had a 12" subwoofer installed in a Honda Civic, things can shake, rattle, roll and even get broken when you play it too loud!

Love my X1's (and my hearing) too much to do that (again)!
Edited by BB 808 - 11/7/13 at 4:13am
post #208 of 371
well what i meant by max maximize as in increase volume as you both always give me the impression that you hear the x1 in only normal volume not loud volume .. and well i a m a noob on this site but i think i can notice which volume starts to damage the drivers

my denon reciever has a volume in between -80 db to 18 db .. i use my normal 5.1 jbl at about -10 to -25 db and they can exceed 0 db with no distortion but i never used above 0 db as the volume is insane and can wake the whole building .. my sennheiser hd202 gives higher volume on same db i use with x1 so i tend to use it from -15 to -25 db and it can work flawleesly on all frequencies till 0 db than starts to distort

the x1 i use at -10 to -15 with movies and with mp3 i usually control sound from software volume eq .. so x1 start to produce a very faint buzz ( rt speaker ) in low frequency like the movie conjuring and paranormal activity at -15 db while the releative volume in comparison to the sennheiser and the jbl is much lower and dialogue volume is not loud .. i increase to -12 db and crackles start to develop in rt speaker .. increase to -8 rattling starts in right speaker .. increasing to -2 or 0 db rattles start to develop in the left speaker

so i wished that the right speaker was just like the left one

finally i tried the conjuring movie at my ipad on max volume (which is not that loud to movies and i don't know how this forum professionals consider that loud ) and i heard a buzz in the right speaker so even by normal measures the driver is faulty .. and i asked for refund and i already shipped the headphones .. i will wait till my visit to usa and check for a nice pair there



i wish i cleared the matters


n.b : as for the buzz some ppl ears sensitivity sometimes exceed others .. may be that is the story with me .. i once returned a tv that was buzzing and only me i was hearing the buzz under normal conditions while others cannot hear it except in completely silent room .. so may be the buzz is there but you didn't notice before .. philips should do much better quality in my opinion
post #209 of 371

If you use software EQing, you have to keep the volume on source lower in order to avoid clipping. Since it doesn't happen with your more sensitive headphones which can be used at a lower source volume, that is very likely the issue. If you then can't get enough volume without distorting you would need better amping.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/7/13 at 5:22am
post #210 of 371

See FiiO have introduced a recable for the X1.

 

http://www.fiio.net/products/index.aspx?ID=100000047199928&MenuID=105026014

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