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What is the 7th Gen iPod Classic? (A post and topic to clarify if this DAP actually exists or not).

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What is a 7th Gen iPod Classic?

 

A preamble: for this post, I am not going to point to any sources for my information, and Wikipedia is not always accurate, but I have been following the iPod story since the 3rd Gen and have pretty good knowledge of those models.

I have researched first and foremost to check my info, which is why I am posting my point of view here.

If, however, there is a serious backlash or criticism of my post, then I will cite sources, but I believe Apple’s own support page supports my information.

Finally, though I say this again that Wikipedia is not a favourable source for concrete information, I believe the information posted about iPod and its history is very informative and thus far accurate.

 

Furthermore, I am a reluctant forum goer; I usually lurk than post. This post is nearly four years in the making, but I am posting now as part of seeking answers for my new portable/transportable audio set-up that I have been planning for a while.

In essence, I am one of the customers who have pre-ordered the mouth-watering CEntrance HiFi-M8, and I am collating as much information about my current and possible future gear, especially sources, to use with my soon to be completed HiFi-M8, or use with my current JDS Labs C5 amp.

 

Originally I opted for the iDevice based dual 3-pin XLR/3.5mm combo HiFi-M8 to go with my current 2007 iPod Classic 160GB. I wanted to mod my iPod to a bigger size, but after some confusing information about whether the HiFi-M8 can support very high frequencies for the iPod Classic, I am needing to get some questions thrown on to the web and get stuff off my chest.

Essentially, I need some community help, but I want to address a very big elephant in the room: the so-called 7th Gen iPod Classic.

 

Now, onwards!

 

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Upon my first hearing of a new iPod back in 2009, I was excited to see what generational change this would be to the aging 6th Gen iPod Classic line.

However, I was very disappointed that the new iPod was just another iteration, only with a large ‘single platter’ 160GB.

Then I started to see so called 7th Gen iPod’s floating around the web, and on Head-Fi, after the announcement of the 2009 iPod Classic.

I scratched my head, totally confused. Had I missed something? Was there really a second iPod announcement? Were there knock-off 7th Gen iPods doing the rounds impersonating the iPod Classic itself (this might be true, but doubtful that this is why people posted about the 7th Gen iPod Classic)?

 

Now, I am almost positive that this so called 7th Gen iPod Classic is misinformation. Allow me to explain why I, at this point of time, refute the existence of a 7G iPod Classic.

 

The iPod Classic line itself started in 2007, and followed on from the previous 5th Gen iPod's.

To be clear, though iPod classic is informally used to refer to the entire HDD button based iPod line (discounting the very first iPod mini), the ‘Classic’ suffix was introduced in September 2007 to the 6th Gen iPod’s, thus called iPod Classic.

 

There have been three major revisions of the 6th Gen iPod Classic:

 

  • iPod Classic introduced in Sept 2007:
    The first iPod Classic’s were 80GB and 160GB (the latter was thicker as the HDD was two 80GB platters in one HDD to make 160GB).
  • iPod Classic (1st Rev) introduced in Sept 2008:
    Both 80GB and 160GB iPod Classic models were then discontinued in favour of a 120GB with iTunes Genius support and the use of mic/remote through the 3.5mm audio jack. This model had the same case thickness as the 80GB model as it has only one HDD platter.
    Oddly enough this was touted as having 40GB more, which is true for the previous 80GB model, but Apple effectively airbrushed the 160GB existence from it marketing literature at the time.
  • iPod Classic (2nd rev) introduced in Sept 2009:
    Later the 120GB was discontinued in favour of a new HDD that had 160GB on one platter, marking a return for such a high storage iDevice product. Also include iTunes Genius Mixes.
    Again Apple marketed this has having 40GB more than the previous 120GB, though the 160GB did exist before, just not in the marketing literature when this reiteration model was introduced.

 

 

So, again, what is the 7th Gen iPod Classic?

 

If I were to use, historically, Apple’s nomenclature process of actually creating a new generation of an existing iDevice product, then a new generation would have significant changes in case work, software and hardware to the previous generation. Yet not for incremental changes.

You can see this from the many variations of the 4th Gen iPod, or even the major iPhone/iPad releases; whenever there is a generation change, there is also a significant change in casework, hardware and software combined.

 

By that note, I really believe that there is no 7th Gen iPod yet, and if there was I would strongly presume that there would be a significant change, possibly even having a Thunderbolt connector rather than the archaic (yet useful) 30-pin dock connector.

 

Unless I am wrong.

 

If I am, please explain, clarify and point to sources if necessary.

I will conceded that aurally the sound between various iDevices can be different, even between revisions of iDevices of a given generation, but to me this does not signify a generation change when looked upon Apple’s previous iDevice/product line-up’s.

 

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One final point. The 2007 iPod Classic had a nasty habit of music momentarily interrupted by a pause, then resuming playback as if nothing happened.

This is simply due to the choice of HDD. Whenever this pause occurred, you can actually hear the HDD make clicking noises. There are two possible reasons why this occurs:

 

  • Every HDD has a limited cache size for storing small pieces of data and deleting them quickly. This is in principle like a RAM, but by design and implementation cache is different and uses (generally) solid state space or space allocated specially reserved on the HDD platter.
    In the case of the 2007 iPod Classic’s, I believe this cache was about 8MB or 16MB. If you had some large audio file (very long lossy tracks or lossless tracks), then after a while the cache would not be able to keep up with the Apple iPod OS; it would read and write, but not quickly enough. So the iPod OS clears the cache, which in turn forces your music to pause before resuming play.
  • Only for the 2007 iPod Classic 160GB with its two 80GB platters. Quite simply, an audio track may be split on two platters, so when the HDD changes between platters, the audio pauses.

 

 

Personally, I believe that both the above occurs, but the 2007 iPod Classic 80GB inhibits the first scenario, the 160GB does both.

 

I hope this post is seen in good faith and is informative.

 

Thank you for reading, and for advice/constructive criticisms that may be forthcoming.

 

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[Imagine me with this smile when I finally have my CEntrance HiFi-M8, a nice source, and my Heir Audio 4.Ai IEM's with balanced Furutech 3-pin XLR's!]


Edited by TheOneInYellow - 6/29/13 at 10:23am
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To answer your question....what is commonly referred to as the 7th gen Classic is this....the 160GB 2nd revision.

 

  • iPod Classic (2nd rev) introduced in Sept 2009:
    Later the 120GB was discontinued in favour of a new HDD that had 160GB on one platter, marking a return for such a high storage iDevice product. Also include iTunes Genius Mixes.
    Again Apple marketed this has having 40GB more than the previous 120GB, though the 160GB did exist before, just not in the marketing literature when this reiteration model was introduced.

 

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Thread Starter 

@ Achmedisdead: Sorry for the late reply.

 

I always assumed that this was the case and that the community has mistakenly misunderstood the 2nd revison (3rd version) of the iPod Classic, but I wanted to be absolutley sure.

 

Thank you. :D

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@ Achmedisdead: Sorry for the late reply.

 

I always assumed that this was the case and that the community has mistakenly misunderstood the 2nd revison (3rd version) of the iPod Classic, but I wanted to be absolutley sure.

 

Thank you. :D

 

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