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Yes, I compared HD250 Linear I and II to the HD600 and in comparison I felt the HD600 was unfaithful to instrument tonality and dynamic changes due to upper bass emphasis. It's quite obvious on extended listening. The HD600 has a wonderful midrange though, which is what I didn't like about the HD250. I listened carefully to the HD250 and it's pretty close to the HD540/HD560. HD250 has slightly withdrawn midrange and slightly overpowering bass though whilst the HD560 has a slightly withdrawn stereo image compared to HD540. HD800 technically beats all of them but is slightly musically withdrawn so I still prefer HD540II. HD560II is a close second but I have sold all of them now. Sale of some HD540IIs will shortly follow.

 

I got a little confused in there. Directly comparing the HD560II to the HD600 you say the HD560II is better? More neutral at least? Im really happy with the HD560II but sometimes with rock and music it's not very engaging. But it shines completely on classical and/or orchestral. Newer music in general sounds bad, but that maybe because of the recordins. For instance Radiohead's OK Computer is absolutely gorgeous on the HD560II. To be honest im just curious how these "old" cans can beat the newer HD600.I've tried the AKG Q701 and i prefer mine. Btw, i read that the HD600 is more neutral than the HD650 so it's the "natural sucessor" to the HD560 right (after the HD580)

 

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Or if you want high performance for an affordable price, the Graham Slee Voyager is an excellent companion for the HD560II.

 

Im all set on the Vali for an amp. And im looking for a DAC under 100€. Maybe it will be the Modi.

 

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The transducers in the HD580/600 are not physically compatible with the HD540/560. In the 580/600, the transducer is in a removable capsule that inserts into the oval frame. In the 540/560, the transducer is permanently fused into the round frame. There is no way to extract the 540/560 transducer from the frame without destroying it.

 

Here's a pic of an HD540 II assembly.

 

I know. i checked and despite the transducers are similar and the mount is simillar between the HD560 and the HD600 they are different.  The part that connects the transducer to the cable is straight on the HD600 and on the HD560 is angled (see picture below of my transducer and the HD600 HERE). Even if possible it would require a little bit of DIY/modding. But obviously im not attempting this. 

 

 

 

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You could give the Yulong D200 DAC/amp a try, search for it here and you'll see the head-fi community loves it.....


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To out of my range. But thanks anyways. Im just wetting my feet for now =P

 

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Even if you had have been able to transplant drivers across, the HD600 transducers have a different sensitivity (and freq. calibration) to the HD540 drivers so you wouldn't be able to mix them.

 

And also, I think the HD560 drivers can be isolated; they're not fused into a circular capsule like the HD540 drivers are.

 

I was talking about a complete transplant. Right now if one of my drivers goes caput i think i wont be able to find another replacement. So instead of throwing the headphone out i would be making some DIY with newer drivers. But as i stated earlier that would be a little difficult. 

post #797 of 806

I've owned both the HD600 and HD560II. For me, the HD560II is clearly the better and more faithful headphone, without any doubt. HD600 has some upper bass colouration although they're more neutral than the HD650.

 

HD560II displays a poorly mastered recording exactly how it is; crap. HD540 does the same; it's just more spatial IMO.

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I got a little confused in there. Directly comparing the HD560II to the HD600 you say the HD560II is better? More neutral at least? Im really happy with the HD560II but sometimes with rock and music it's not very engaging. But it shines completely on classical and/or orchestral. Newer music in general sounds bad, but that maybe because of the recordins. For instance Radiohead's OK Computer is absolutely gorgeous on the HD560II. To be honest im just curious how these "old" cans can beat the newer HD600.I've tried the AKG Q701 and i prefer mine. Btw, i read that the HD600 is more neutral than the HD650 so it's the "natural sucessor" to the HD560 right (after the HD580)

 

When you say 'engaging' I think you should really try to audition the HD600. It's a pleasure to listen to eventhough it has that little bass colouration and a little rolled off at the top frequency. It depends a lot on the rest of your setup if it's going to work for you. I have a fairly neutral, maybe even slightly bright sounding Yulong D200 which pairs nicely. With your Vali which I think is a little warmer than my setup you will get different results. All that said, I would not want to be without the 540. When it's on my head I don't want to reach for the 600 but I do spend more time with the 600. Something addictive about it.


Edited by moriez - 10/19/14 at 6:05am
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Even though I have been critical of the HD600, it is a very good headphone. The midrange is really beautiful.

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I have decided that I will only be keeping the K1000 for my music listening; I shall be selling all of my HD540IIs in the near future, even those I restored to new condition. The time has come to condense all of my audio equipment down to just minimum summit-fi performance. More information regarding this soon.

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Originally Posted by o0CosmoMemory0o View Post
 

I have decided that I will only be keeping the K1000 for my music listening; I shall be selling all of my HD540IIs in the near future, even those I restored to new condition. The time has come to condense all of my audio equipment down to just minimum summit-fi performance. More information regarding this soon.

Wow! You won't keep even one HD540II?

post #802 of 806

As tempting as it is to keep just one HD540II, there is nothing that it does that the K1000 doesn't also do. I feel that the K1000 is more spatial and has more realistic bass weight. I have three K1000 also so I'm well prepared. The HD540II is excellent but if I have no purpose for it anymore, it is pointless to get attached to it materialistically and keep it just to look at. I may as well sell them to others. It will take a while to sell them all and whilst I might keep my last one for a while, they will eventually be passed on to other music lovers. The K1000 is the end of the headphone road for me; I have no interest in buying any other designs now, not unless another K1000-type design were to be manufactured, but even then, I'm enjoying music too much now to even care. When I buy my proposed DAC to pair with my Proprius amps and K1000, the musical performance is going to be stupendous beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by o0CosmoMemory0o View Post
 

As tempting as it is to keep just one HD540II, there is nothing that it does that the K1000 doesn't also do...

The HD540II does one thing that the K1000 doesn't do: it runs off of the headphone jack in portable amps or other devices that don't have powered speaker outputs. (Of course, if you'll never listen anywhere other than at home in one seat by a big rig, that won't matter to you.)

post #804 of 806
it's also a question of diminishing returns and function of dac/amp that you have at hand
I think it is very likely that $1000 phones are 'better' yet then other contenders come to my mind
post #805 of 806

The 540 mids are somewhat mediocre in vintage cans,they are thin,recessed, not very musical ,

just a little better than hd800,, people will get bored fast

 

imo

hd224x > hd430(need good source) > hd560 I > 1993 hd580(sounds better than 560 on bad source) > 1968 hd414 > k1000 > hd540 gold > hd800

 

Don't just focus on imaging,sound stage,bass impact etc.

try using a headphone for weeks,months or years ,if you still enjoy it,then you know it's really great


Edited by pkshan - 10/27/14 at 6:08pm
post #806 of 806

A headphone performance also depends on how it is driven. In my analysis of the HD800,  I feel that if it's slightly withdrawn phasing were to be corrected with an ideal driving configuration, it would beat the HD540II et al in all areas and not by an insignificant margin; the improvement in performance would be quite substantial (and you know how much of a fan I am of the HD540II). I also feel that the HD800 'sound source size' is larger than even my AKG K1000 (because the HD800 driver is quite a bit larger) even though the K1000 is quite a bit more spatial. The K1000 should be more spatial anyway; at higher volumes with the right head position, the listener experiences interaural crosstalk between the two drivers/ears, giving depth perception. The lack of enclosure materials (just a pair of grills over each driver) and the lack of earpads also add to result in a purity that I don't feel is possible from conventional designs.

 

 

The reality though is that if you provide a headphone with an inadequate drive, it will not perform as well as expected. The problem also with some headphones such as the HD800 is that they rely on a particular kind of drive in order to excel, hence my harsh criticism of it.

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