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Right, I'm back from the Graham Slee Roadshow. I did compare my HD540II to their HD800 through the Bitzie DAC/amp and from the Solo ULDE. The HD540II and HD800 are pretty much neck and neck. They are very close indeed. My initial conclusions have been that the HD800 is slightly more spatial than my HD540II, probably due to more empty space within the HD800 earcups. It wasn't a huge difference but it was noticeable. They are both very neutral headphones IMO and the frequency balance between them was pretty much on par. For me, the HD540II sounds more natural whilst the HD800 was more spatial. I did not have enough listening time however to make entirely valid conclusions so these are just my initial impressions. Both seem great.

 

I compared both to the LCD-2 and they both beat it IMO. I was very underwhelmed with the LCD-2. The construction of it is big and heavy and it seemed to have some bass elevation too. The bass isn't boomy or unpleasant but the sound seemed less transparent to my ears. Slightly thickened up and covering up nuance definition. Those are my initial impressions. I liked the Denon D7000 much more than the LCD-2 and the Denons are a sealed headphone. The Denons, IMO, had a tad more bass than what I would consider neutral but they are still very well balanced and I think I may prefer them to the Sennheiser HD250II. Not sure...

 

I did have one of my HD560 Ovation II headphones at the event too. They certainly held their own as well; very neutral. HD600 and HD650 were there too (not mine) but I had a brief listen to both. First time I'd heard the HD650 but they're nothing impressive IMO. Not enough clarity.


Edited by o0CosmoMemory0o - 5/30/14 at 11:02am
post #392 of 1362

^Based on this, you mainly like some emphasis at ~5 kHz, bass rolloff below 100 Hz, and potentially a few extra dB in the lower mids in relation to the 1 kHz level. These are characteristic of the HD 540 and variants (HD 560, 530, and whatnot).

post #393 of 1362

I do not have perfect pitch hearing so I wouldn't know. I'm not too concerned about specifications as I prefer to just listen to music for making comparisons. I currently feel that the HD540II and HD800 are pretty much as close to neutral as you're gonna hear but in time, as I learn more, I may come to think differently??

post #394 of 1362
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Originally Posted by o0CosmoMemory0o View Post
 

Right, I'm back from the Graham Slee Roadshow. I did compare my HD540II to their HD800 through the Bitzie DAC/amp and from the Solo ULDE. The HD540II and HD800 are pretty much neck and neck. They are very close indeed. My initial conclusions have been that the HD800 is slightly more spatial than my HD540II, probably due to more empty space within the HD800 earcups. It wasn't a huge difference but it was noticeable. They are both very neutral headphones IMO and the frequency balance between them was pretty much on par. For me, the HD540II sounds more natural whilst the HD800 was more spatial. I did not have enough listening time however to make entirely valid conclusions so these are just my initial impressions. Both seem great.

 

I compared both to the LCD-2 and they both beat it IMO. I was very underwhelmed with the LCD-2. The construction of it is big and heavy and it seemed to have some bass elevation too. The bass isn't boomy or unpleasant but the sound seemed less transparent to my ears. Slightly thickened up and covering up nuance definition. Those are my initial impressions. I liked the Denon D7000 much more than the LCD-2 and the Denons are a sealed headphone. The Denons, IMO, had a tad more bass than what I would consider neutral but they are still very well balanced and I think I may prefer them to the Sennheiser HD250II. Not sure...

 

I did have one of my HD560 Ovation II headphones at the event too. They certainly held their own as well; very neutral. HD600 and HD650 were there too (not mine) but I had a brief listen to both. First time I'd heard the HD650 but they're nothing impressive IMO. Not enough clarity.

 

Thanks for sharing your impressions.

And thanks for your courage. Your statements aren't consensual but sincere, and I guess I trust your ears... ;)

I just hope that the 6x0-700-800 hooligans won't give you hell for that. :D

.

post #395 of 1362
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I do not have perfect pitch hearing so I wouldn't know. I'm not too concerned about specifications as I prefer to just listen to music for making comparisons. I currently feel that the HD540II and HD800 are pretty much as close to neutral as you're gonna hear but in time, as I learn more, I may come to think differently??

 

The HD 800 also has the features I listed. The LCD-2 doesn't at all, while the D7000 does to some extent if not massively - mainly if comparing 5 kHz emphasis. In any case, something to be learnt from patterns for sure.

post #396 of 1362
John Willit, a former employee of Sennheiser involved in the production of the HD250, was also at the event. He looked at me in disgust when I said that the HD540II and HD800 are extremely close in performance. Apparently HD800 is in a class of its own?? Oh well... I can't be bothered to argue. Anyway, I spoke to him about a lack of spare parts for the HD540II and he has given me a Sennheiser contact to get in touch with about it.
post #397 of 1362
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 Apparently HD800 is in a class of its own?? Oh well... I can't be bothered to argue. 

 

Of course it is! Its price tag and overly complex construction demands it! How dare you doubt it? :D 

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Thanks for sharing your impressions.

And thanks for your courage. Your statements aren't consensual but sincere, and I guess I trust your ears... ;)

I just hope that the 6x0-700-800 hooligans won't give you hell for that. :D

.

 

How about those that appreciate the HD540s and HD560s giving hell to the 6x0-700-800 holligans? That would be the best course of action! :cool:

post #399 of 1362
Maybe I should buy a HD800 off Ebay and compare 540I, 540II and 800 over several weeks, just to really upset HD800 zealots?? ='D The truth probably isn't very palatable.
post #400 of 1362
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Maybe I should buy a HD800 off Ebay and compare 540I, 540II and 800 over several weeks, just to really upset HD800 zealots?? ='D The truth probably isn't very palatable.

 

 

Ha ha! I had the exact same idea but the cost, even second hand, sort of puts me off. But it surely is tempting...:wink: 

post #401 of 1362
For the price of a HD800, I'd rather try the AKG K1000, for the interaural crosstalk and true out-of-head imaging. This interest of mine is starting to become rather expensive... There will be a bounty on my head soon if I continue being as honest as I have been.
post #402 of 1362
In defence of the HD800 though, they do project a larger stereo image. I might have to make a custom pair of earpads for my HD540II to see if I can emulate the increased spaciousness.
post #403 of 1362
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For the price of a HD800, I'd rather try the AKG K1000, for the interaural crosstalk and true out-of-head imaging. This interest of mine is starting to become rather expensive... There will be a bounty on my head soon if I continue being as honest as I have been.

 

Last time I've checked, we were still living in a free-thinking world. I know that it's hard to stay honest and going against pre established concepts or ideas is never without consequence, but one should never give up on one's convictions and should pursue regardless. I, for one, applaud your honesty and courage. So don't give in to whatever pressure you may encounter and just speak your mind! 

 

Best,

 

Leonel

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Originally Posted by o0CosmoMemory0o View Post

John Willit, a former employee of Sennheiser involved in the production of the HD250, was also at the event. He looked at me in disgust when I said that the HD540II and HD800 are extremely close in performance. Apparently HD800 is in a class of its own?? Oh well... I can't be bothered to argue. Anyway, I spoke to him about a lack of spare parts for the HD540II and he has given me a Sennheiser contact to get in touch with about it.

 

Since Sennheiser still sells spare parts for numerous old models, I suspect the reason they stopped selling the HD540 parts is that they no longer have the molds/tooling or some other critical piece of equipment. I can't think of a logical reason they would intentionally decide to stop the production, unless it was "Let's can the spare parts for the HD540 line so that users can't compare it favorably to the HD800..." :wink_face:

 

Originally Posted by o0CosmoMemory0o View Post

For the price of a HD800, I'd rather try the AKG K1000, for the interaural crosstalk and true out-of-head imaging. This interest of mine is starting to become rather expensive... There will be a bounty on my head soon if I continue being as honest as I have been.

 

Every hard core Head-Fier should try the AKG K1000.


Edited by Bostonears - 5/31/14 at 4:49am
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Originally Posted by rocksteady65 View Post

 

Last time I've checked, we were still living in a free-thinking world. I know that it's hard to stay honest and going against pre established concepts or ideas is never without consequence, but one should never give up on one's convictions and should pursue regardless. I, for one, applaud your honesty and courage. So don't give in to whatever pressure you may encounter and just speak your mind! 

 

The irony here is that no one in this thread was willing to accept what I said about EQ even when given evidence to back it up. This is what happens, too, when you tell a person who likes his HD 800 or would like to have one that this 30-year-old headphone that sells for 50 euros is better. Doesn't matter how many comparisons you do - you should save yourself the bother - your views aren't grounded like theirs.

 

These are some things to look at instead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semmelweis_reflex

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