Originally Posted by bigshot
I learn an awful lot from the folks in the Sound Science forum. In the headphones forum, everyone just recites model numbers, that mean nothing to me, along with vague poetry describing their sound, which means even less.
Here I can ask a question about how things work and get a knowledgeable answer to my question. Sometimes I even understand the answers!
Originally Posted by esldude
Depends on your idea of being boxed in. Having people put forth ideas not just incredible, but impossible while not being allowed to refute them with real facts, knowledge and science without getting banned seems rather confining. Now the imagination knows no bounds. So maybe Sound imagination forums are more lively and such. Products based upon the imagination too. Imagination is good if checked against reality for innovation. Without that reality check not so much as it results in faux-innovation.
You can learn and discuss all that in a different forum, one where there is less restriction or mod interferences (I have had more than one moronic interaction with a mod so I know of their faulty work). I just don't understand why headfi only when there are only very few people that posts in this subforum. That is what I mean in "box yourself" or "confining". Is this really the only subforum you guys can find, surely there are more like this with more engaging people that posts actively. Hence, I don't see the point of crying about your experiences reading impressions which you can't relate to.
I am a man of science myself and part of the reason I keep checking on headfi is the innovation manufacturers or engineers try to make. Unfortunately, I didn't enroll in audio related engineering so my interests in new audio products is of genuine nature and also since new tech is always interesting anyway. A big one that has intrigued me is the current Oppo headphone and its design. It is unconventional and makes me wonder how it is supposed to sound or offer something different from the typical planar magnetics. Even before that, planar magnetic design and beyerdynamic tesla tech was interesting as I have never heard of it before as I was used to seeing dynamic drivers. For IEM side, freqphase, multiple BAs and hybrids has peaked my interests. Sure you can assume what they will sound like with a freq response but there are countless that aren't. I get confused as well of the descriptions people use but it is not that big of a deal.
If people's impressions bother you, then can try to look or ask for a direct comparisons of products you know well. People will typically try to help you to get a better idea of how it sounds like. There is some merit in direct comparisons given they were reviewed the same way. Just be a decent-friendly person.
Also, contrary to the consensus here that refuting claims will get you banned, I see it more often than not that the one that gets banned are brash individuals. I don't take a liking of negative individuals especially when they try to associate themselves to people of science. It gives a lot of bad reputation which is most likely what you experience as a results of trying to provide technical explanations. It is unfortunate to see this is the case in headfi most likely spurred by a few brash individuals acting in the name of science. There is a difference in asserting your refutes with evidence to insulting another of their intelligence or similar acts to prove your point. Bigshot's way in handling the oppo thread was in my opinion the proper way, some of the discussion was just way too off topic.
Lastly, I don't include products such as 10k cables in mind. If a product tries to sell itself past an already well proven scientific fact or theory, then you can ignore such product and leave the people who enjoy such products at peace. I barely go into the cable section myself. How hard is it to just leave people alone? There is no need to patronize people behind their backs or threads which they will never check. I am saying this based on my personal sets of ethics. Sorry, if that offends any of you.
Originally Posted by wakibaki
....errrr, 'box yourselves in'??? I think you've got something a bit bassackwards there. Perhaps when you sort out that little confusion in your mind we could have a conversation.
Sorry, English is not my first language and sometimes my grammar is messed up. I try to explain myself better above.