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post #541 of 1671
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

I'm confused. I was using the dynamic range meter tool available here:
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/

And it says it only works for 16/44 files with the offline tool. HD tracks seem to work so I tried out a new album I bought. The Objective DAC doesn't natively decode 24/88 files, but the DR tool did its thing and this was the output: DR Meter Test for 24/88 Files (Click to show)
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 Analyzed folder: /Users/Michael/Desktop/asdf
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 DR             Peak            RMS             Filename
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 DR9            -0.10 dB        -10.29 dB       01 Give Life Back to Music.m4a
 DR9            -0.10 dB        -10.83 dB       02 The Game of Love.m4a
 DR7            -0.10 dB        -9.06 dB        03 Giorgio by Moroder.m4a
 DR8            -0.10 dB        -11.50 dB       04 Within.m4a
 DR7            -0.10 dB        -8.96 dB        05 Instant Crush (ft. Julian Casablancas).m4a
 DR7            -0.10 dB        -8.72 dB        06 Lose Yourself to Dance (ft. Pharrell Williams).m4a
 DR7            -0.10 dB        -11.05 dB       07 Touch (ft. Paul Williams).m4a
 DR8            -0.10 dB        -9.37 dB        08 Get Lucky (ft. Pharrell Williams).m4a
 DR8            -0.10 dB        -10.25 dB       09 Beyond.m4a
 DR9            -0.10 dB        -11.73 dB       10 Motherboard.m4a
 DR8            -0.10 dB        -9.22 dB        11 Fragments of Time (ft. Todd Edwards).m4a
 DR6            -0.10 dB        -8.47 dB        12 Doin' It Right (ft. Panda Bear).m4a
 DR5            -0.10 dB        -8.19 dB        13 Contact.m4a
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Number of files:       13
 Official DR value:     DR8

==============================================================================================


Okay, that's cool and all. So I decided to go to the DR database and see the different DR ratings for the different versions of the song. The same album from the same website was uploaded already and the numbers differed from mine. I decided to down-sample my 24/88 files to 24/44 since the ODAC can natively decode that. After running the DR tool again, I get this output: DR Meter Test for 24/44 Files (Click to show)
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 Analyzed folder: /Users/Michael/Desktop/asdf
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 DR             Peak            RMS             Filename
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 DR9            over            -10.29 dB       01 Give Life Back to Music.m4a
 DR9            over            -10.83 dB       02 The Game of Love.m4a
 DR7            over            -9.06 dB        03 Giorgio by Moroder.m4a
 DR8            -0.00 dB        -11.50 dB       04 Within.m4a
 DR7            over            -8.96 dB        05 Instant Crush (ft. Julian Casablancas).m4a
 DR7            over            -8.72 dB        06 Lose Yourself to Dance (ft. Pharrell Williams).m4a
 DR7            -0.00 dB        -11.05 dB       07 Touch (ft. Paul Williams).m4a
 DR8            over            -9.38 dB        08 Get Lucky (ft. Pharrell Williams).m4a
 DR9            -0.00 dB        -10.25 dB       09 Beyond.m4a
 DR9            -0.01 dB        -11.73 dB       10 Motherboard.m4a
 DR8            over            -9.22 dB        11 Fragments of Time (ft. Todd Edwards).m4a
 DR7            over            -8.47 dB        12 Doin' It Right (ft. Panda Bear).m4a
 DR6            over            -8.20 dB        13 Contact.m4a
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Number of files:       13
 Official DR value:     DR8

==============================================================================================

The peak values go beyond the limit on most of the tracks, and yet the dynamic range value increased on tracks 9, 12, and 13.


What happened? The original files were in FLAC format and I converted them to Apple Lossless.
I don't understand. You state up front that only 16/44.1 tracks work and then proceed to analyze a 24/88.2 and a 24/44.1 track?
TT DR Offline Meter 1.1 says in the GUI:


I was just curious how people on the DR database get their values for HD albums and whatnot, so I tried it myself and it worked. I'm not sure what the program actually does.
post #542 of 1671
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

TT DR Offline Meter 1.1 says in the GUI:


I was just curious how people on the DR database get their values for HD albums and whatnot, so I tried it myself and it worked. I'm not sure what the program actually does.
Then probably the only valid results are to be obtained by converting the songs to 16/44.1 before feeding them to the DR Meter.
post #543 of 1671
Do you all have golden ears? XD
https://www.goldenears.philips.com/index.html?select
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Graduates of the Golden Ears program can reliably detect subtle differences in sound based on the following five key attributes.
Timbre
Differences in tone or the frequency of content of music

Details
The lack of treble, distortion, or noise that can mask the fine details

Spatial Impression
The depth and spaciousness of the soundfield

Bass
The quality of low frequencies

Loudness
The perception of sound power, from quiet to loud
...

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Philips knows that I only have 1 friend. frown.gif
post #544 of 1671

When your friend is on both fb and g+, doesn't that count as two friends?

post #545 of 1671
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Do you all have golden ears? XD
https://www.goldenears.philips.com/index.html?select
Philips knows that I only have 1 friend. frown.gif

Is this test for real? A partially deaf could do this test...

post #546 of 1671
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Is this test for real? A partially deaf could do this test...

Did you finish up to gold? Most sections are as easy as you say but some sections are really hard
post #547 of 1671
Is there any particular reason why a CD master can sound different from the studio master? I mean, wouldn't it be much, much easier to just downsample the studio master to 16/44? confused.gif
post #548 of 1671

In a recording studio, they mix each song separately, and the songs sound fine by themselves. But when the songs are sequenced one after another in album order, the relationship between the volume levels and timbre in each song don't match up. So a mastering engineer EQs and alters the volume and compression to make the songs flow as an album. If the mastering engineer isn't good at what he does, he can royally screw up a record. If he's good, he can improve it.

post #549 of 1671
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

In a recording studio, they mix each song separately, and the songs sound fine by themselves. But when the songs are sequenced one after another in album order, the relationship between the volume levels and timbre in each song don't match up. So a mastering engineer EQs and alters the volume and compression to make the songs flow as an album. If the mastering engineer isn't good at what he does, he can royally screw up a record. If he's good, he can improve it.
Interesting. So when a website sells so-called HD music, is that [in theory] really the studio master? If so, most if not all of the so-called HD music I've purchased sounds pretty good to me...but then again, I'm not a mastering engineer so as a consumer it sounds pretty good to me.
post #550 of 1671

No, it's almost certainly not off the recording master. Anything released to the public would be off the sweetened and balanced master.

post #551 of 1671
Ah, mmk. That makes more sense then.


I just saw this:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/audio-quality.htm
Quote:
The near-zero (4.5 Ω) output impedance of the iPhone 5 is much better (lower) than most dedicated headphone amplifiers, even most exotic audiophile amps, and therefore its response is not significantly affected by the headphones in use. Most dedicated amplifiers have about ten times the output impedance of the iPhone 5, and allow about a dB or two of false bass boost with the Ultrasone Edition 8.

What? Since when is 4.5 Ω considered near-zero and since when did dedicated headphone amplifiers have an output impedance higher than that?
post #552 of 1671

10ish ohms is widely considered near zero from my experience in engineering but that might be due to our use of kilo-ohm resistors ... 10/10k is insignificant depending on the circuit

post #553 of 1671

I've never seen the need for an amp for any of my Apple products... phone, pad, computer, pod.

post #554 of 1671
Hm, this isn't anything objective, but it's an interesting perspective:


I've never heard of this artist before.
post #555 of 1671
Yes, she's profoundly deaf.

4.5 ohms is quite high. Output impedances <1 ohm are readily achievable, and most speaker amplifiers (SS that is) achieve <1 ohm.

nikongod likes higher output impedances, but I don't. Since there's no standard set (none that's adhered to now) my view is that very low impedances are the most likely to be encountered, now and in the future.

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