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post #346 of 1671
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No, the part of the horse that is a little bit behind that part.
I think you do yourself an injustice there. I am always interested in your POV.
post #347 of 1671

I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth than the horse's other end...

post #348 of 1671

Thanks Krismusic!

post #349 of 1671
More than welcome. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by krismusic - 11/15/13 at 2:27pm
post #350 of 1671
Right. Let's get back to being grumpy!
I was talking with someone on one of the other forums and aftermarket cables came up.
It occurred to me. If someone is convinced that a cable has improved the sound of their equipment and this is an ongoing perception does it matter if it is psychoacoustics?
post #351 of 1671

Good day, anyone.

Inviting all the sceptic good sirs to throw poopies in me regarding subjectivism in my threads.

Links are below:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/690441/the-need-of-in-depth-sound-science-objectiveness-intro-to-the-sound-science-wall-of-text-thread

http://www.head-fi.org/t/690471/theorycrafting-the-perfect-amp

 

Thanks for the attention!

post #352 of 1671
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Right. Let's get back to being grumpy!
I was talking with someone on one of the other forums and aftermarket cables came up.
It occurred to me. If someone is convinced that a cable has improved the sound of their equipment and this is an ongoing perception does it matter if it is psychoacoustics?

 

Does it matter if you believe in something that is false? Do you care whether your beliefs are true?

 

There apparently have been some cases where the stock cable had a few ohms (!) so a different cable with lower resistance could actually cause an increase in volume for example (and we know how that is perceived).

Still doesn't justify the cable maker's claims, pseudoscience, outrageous prices ...


Edited by xnor - 11/15/13 at 3:29pm
post #353 of 1671
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Does it matter if you believe in something that is false? Do you care whether your beliefs are true?

There apparently have been some cases where the stock cable had a few ohms (!) so a different cable with lower resistance could actually cause an increase in volume for example (and we know how that is perceived).
Still doesn't justify the cable maker's claims, pseudoscience, outrageous prices ...
I completely agree and would not want to give someone my money on that basis.
It was interesting that someone who had spent money on a cable was prepared to accept that his enjoyment may well be the result of placebo but that did not concern him.
A bit of a non argument on my part. Apologies. That way madness lies!
Edited by krismusic - 11/15/13 at 3:56pm
post #354 of 1671
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I completely agree and would not want to give someone my money on that basis.
It was interesting that someone who had spent money on a cable was prepared to accept that his enjoyment may well be the result of placebo but that did not concern him.
A bit of a non argument on my part. Apologies. That way madness lies!

Hello, good sir. How can you speak about "the basis" upon which you give money, when Head-fi doesn't even know what the term High-end sound equipment properly means??? And yes, I'm speaking about sound quality! It's not "tastes&sound_signature"!

post #355 of 1671

A cable that sounds different from all the other cables is a lousy cable.

post #356 of 1671
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Right. Let's get back to being grumpy!

I was talking with someone on one of the other forums and aftermarket cables came up.

It occurred to me. If someone is convinced that a cable has improved the sound of their equipment and this is an ongoing perception does it matter if it is psychoacoustics?

Does it matter if you believe in something that is false? Do you care whether your beliefs are true?

There apparently have been some cases where the stock cable had a few ohms (!) so a different cable with lower resistance could actually cause an increase in volume for example (and we know how that is perceived).
Still doesn't justify the cable maker's claims, pseudoscience, outrageous prices ...
Huh. That's actually a good point that I didn't think about before!
post #357 of 1671

No reason to apologize.

It doesn't seem to be an uncommon position. Only when you ask the person whether they care about their beliefs being true they think about it. Sometimes it seems to be like the first time in their lives.

post #358 of 1671
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A cable that sounds different from all the other cables is a lousy cable.

I agree.

 

I think two headphone models were measured with a "lousy" stock cable, iirc. Tyll mentioned one and someone else.

post #359 of 1671

Good sirs, how can you speak about which cable is better when i just throw to the recycle bin your whole vision about "high-end"??

post #360 of 1671
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Right. Let's get back to being grumpy!
I was talking with someone on one of the other forums and aftermarket cables came up.
It occurred to me. If someone is convinced that a cable has improved the sound of their equipment and this is an ongoing perception does it matter if it is psychoacoustics?

It doesn't necessarily. It all depends on whether the particular individual cares or not. Personally I don't. At least not at the end of the day when I'm simply enjoying music, which is what this is all about in the first place.

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