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post #196 of 1058
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Copper tends to increase bass. Warms up the sound more so I'd picture that being a bad pairing on the 8A. Pure silver cable on the other hand tends to lean out bass somewhat so it may help. But it also tends to take the mids back a little. That depends on your preference though. I also find it to enhance treble and make it brighter.

According to the periodic table gold is the best material for interconnects. It's high density offers a better transmission medium. That's partly do to the larger number of electrons and photons.

post #197 of 1058
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Originally Posted by Baxide View Post

According to the periodic table gold is the best material for interconnects. It's high density offers a better transmission medium. That's partly do to the larger number of electrons and photons.

None of that matters when you take into account the cross-scientific approach and realize we're dealing with so large signals the miniscule differences become insignificant and most likely fall within the error margin of the devices being tested. And THEN you take into account you're supposed to be thinking about these things from the perspective of the ear and human perception. From that perspective, the differences become literally nonexistent, even if they did exists in the measurable domain as some AES paper suggested (wooah, insignificant changes in isolation, inductance and capacitance on long runs of cables, who would have thought).

post #198 of 1058
Since coming to this thread I have found reading the rest of the site slightly surreal.
Especially "Puctures of Your Portable Rig" which I am subscribed to.
The number of "stacks" with fantastically elaborate interconnects.
I have to resist the temptation to comment as it would obviously result in flame wars.
I just want to post "but, but, but...."
I don't have a very technical mind. Most of my opinions are based on feel and emotion. Not ideal I would be the first to agree but there it is.
But. Am I right in thinking that a lot of this cable malarkey. Affecting the character of the sound etc, is based on a complete lack of understanding of how electricity works?
post #199 of 1058

The best part is when some "high-end" cable manufacturers offer RCA cables that have to be connected in the right direction. Think about it for a second..

Plot twist: (Click to show)

Sound is alternating current

post #200 of 1058
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Since coming to this thread I have found reading the rest of the site slightly surreal.
Especially "Puctures of Your Portable Rig" which I am subscribed to.
The number of "stacks" with fantastically elaborate interconnects.
I have to resist the temptation to comment as it would obviously result in flame wars.
I just want to post "but, but, but...."
I don't have a very technical mind. Most of my opinions are based on feel and emotion. Not ideal I would be the first to agree but there it is.
But. Am I right in thinking that a lot of this cable malarkey. Affecting the character of the sound etc, is based on a complete lack of understanding of how electricity works?

Frankly speaking based on complete idiocy and a dogmatic belief that higher the price THERE MUST BE A GARGANTUAN IMPROVEMENT. 

post #201 of 1058
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Frankly speaking based on complete idiocy and a dogmatic belief that higher the price THERE MUST BE A GARGANTUAN IMPROVEMENT. 

Well, gargantuan, +/- 3dB. 

post #202 of 1058
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Originally Posted by jaddie View Post

Well, gargantuan, +/- 3dB. 

Along with crystal clear highs, lush soul embracing mids and enhanced PRAT???!?!! 

post #203 of 1058
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Originally Posted by Cat Face View Post

The best part is when some "high-end" cable manufacturers offer RCA cables that have to be connected in the right direction. Think about it for a second...

Well, there are some directional cables. Cables that use what's called a telescoping shield, such as a twisted pair with an overall shield that's tied to ground at only one end. The shield is intended to be tied to the source end, which gave rise many years ago to cables with arrows on them to indicate which end was supposed to be the load end.

I believe it wa this which led some people to believe there was some directional peproperty to the wires themselves.

se
post #204 of 1058
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Originally Posted by Cat Face View Post

The best part is when some "high-end" cable manufacturers offer RCA cables that have to be connected in the right direction. Think about it for a second..

Plot twist: (Click to show)

Sound is alternating current

 

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post


Well, there are some directional cables. Cables that use what's called a telescoping shield, such as a twisted pair with an overall shield that's tied to ground at only one end. The shield is intended to be tied to the source end, which gave rise many years ago to cables with arrows on them to indicate which end was supposed to be the load end.

I believe it wa this which led some people to believe there was some directional peproperty to the wires themselves.

se

 

 

From   http://www.head-fi.org/t/405217/my-cable-test-enterprise

 

Can Audio cables be directional ?

Two of the cables I purchased are supposed to be directional. I recorded samples using the Audioquest G-Snake and Audioquest Sidewinder both correctly aligned and incorrectly aligned. I recorded 10 samples with each of the 4 combinations.

The G-Snake correctly aligned was in fact measurably different from the G-Snake incorrectly aligned. When I fed the results into SPSS the result was significant.

Before anyone gets excited the maximum difference at any frequency was 0.022db and the average difference was 0.001db. For the Sidewinder the maximum difference was 0.011db and the average difference at all frequencies was 0.002db.


Edited by nick_charles - 8/30/13 at 9:45am
post #205 of 1058

if you want your cable to be directional just put a full-wave rectifier in it, don't expect it to sound good though :D

 

How is two hundredths of a decibel significant?

post #206 of 1058
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Originally Posted by Cat Face View Post

if you want your cable to be directional just put a full-wave rectifier in it, don't expect it to sound good though :D

 

How is two hundredths of a decibel significant?

 

Statistically significant rather than important. I should stress that my rather crude measurement setup was only accurate to roughly about  15 or 16 bits. But as I mentioned any "night and day"  or even subtle but discernible difference between analog cables that cannot survive a 15/16 bit A/D stage is most likely scotch mist, or not worth worrying about for 99.9999% of the music listening populace

post #207 of 1058
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Since coming to this thread I have found reading the rest of the site slightly surreal.
Especially "Puctures of Your Portable Rig" which I am subscribed to.
The number of "stacks" with fantastically elaborate interconnects.
I have to resist the temptation to comment as it would obviously result in flame wars.
I just want to post "but, but, but...."
I don't have a very technical mind. Most of my opinions are based on feel and emotion. Not ideal I would be the first to agree but there it is.
But. Am I right in thinking that a lot of this cable malarkey. Affecting the character of the sound etc, is based on a complete lack of understanding of how electricity works?

Yeah sometimes I make snarky remarks In that thread. XD


Does anyone know if measurements have been made on a Retina MacBook Pro's soundcard? Music played through that actually sounds better to me than through my iPhone 4S and C5 amp through a line out dock. Yes I know that's a subjective observation, but I have no other means of comparing them.
post #208 of 1058
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Along with crystal clear highs, lush soul embracing mids and enhanced PRAT???!?!! 
The first time I read a reference to PRaT I thought someone was joking. Surely audio fools could have come up with a less revealing acronym???!
post #209 of 1058

How about creating headphones with Space Holographic Imaging Technology?

post #210 of 1058
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

How about creating headphones with Space Holographic Imaging Technology?


Actually, that's "Stereo Holographic Imaging Technology". Which I will now proceed to register as a trademark... smily_headphones1.gif

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