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post #121 of 501

Thanks for the info guys, it has been very helpful! I'll definitely order both and send one or both back once I hear them, I don't know why I didn't think of that.

post #122 of 501

Just in case saying, I was talking about HD-681 not EVO. I do not own EVO. I have HD-681 (with red rings) and HD-662F and both cans have too harsh highs for me (I have very sensitive ears) and I have made Frans filter mods for both. But they are superb cans! Especially if you make custom pads or use AKG Velours.

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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post

bass doesn`t go so deep as HD-681 (thus might get boring with some music) but it`s tighter and littlebit punchier I guess.
Totally agree with you CoiL. Bass is tighter and punchier with the 662F.
681's bass does go a lil deeper but 662F is overall cleaner in that department, and has a superb bass texture that the 681 doesn't have.
Rap lovers would probably prefer the EVO though.
Once again, EVO and 662F are really different headphones.

If you use custom pads or AKG velours then bass gets tightness-bump with HD-681. I made my own pads (angled and closer to elements, filled with air-tight neoprene): http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/post/125150/thread


Edited by CoiL - 8/24/13 at 1:10pm
post #123 of 501
Oh, ok CoiL, my fault... With all these mods and differents versions... It becomes a mess...
Anyway, I own
-681 with AKG 240 velours pads
-modded white EVO (inner foam discs removed) + standard black EVO (with inner discs)
-662F + standard 662
IMO:
1) modded EVO has more clarity but does NOT sound like a 681 (with velours or pleather) => the EVO is not a 681 with foam discs, which would be a real scam (Superlux is not bvllshi++ing us). The EVO has, for example, a wider soundstage (with and without the inner foam), the 681 with velours has better mids (vocals) and a more controlled bass, etc.
=> EVO and 681 are diff cans. Modding your 681 will not give u an EVO. This is misinformation.
2) i cannot comment on the modded 662(F?), what mod is that? Link anyone?
3) imo, the EVOs do benefit from a long break-in (200 hours, i know, its a pain in the @ ss but bass becomes tighter and the upper-mids opened up)
(btw, the average Joe rarely reaches 200 regular listening hours at home) (for portable HP, its a different story)
4) i didn't notice any signature change after breaking-in the 662F or the 681 (i hope it will help with the standard 662 cause the upper-mids sound harsh)
Edited by Hairspray - 8/24/13 at 2:10pm
post #124 of 501

Hairspray, you can find Frans mkII filter mods from rockgrotto HD-681 modifications thread. HD-662F filter mod is also there ;)
HD-681 modifications: http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/thread/4769/superlux-hd-681-modifications

HD-662F filter mod: http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/post/124411/thread

Quote from Frans:

"The 'character' of the headphone will still be preserved.

Bass and mid presentation will not be altered by the filter.
Only the exaggerated details and 'Sss' will be balanced to normal representation.
Call me stupid but I prefer the HD681 with filter above my HD650 and DT770 and DT880."

 

Really, EVO has even larger soundstage than old HD-681? Is it noticeably larger or only little? That makes me still want to try those cans someday. Even though HD-681 already has very large soundstage & clarity imho. Maybe it depends on DAC/amp also. I`m using Aune T1. Btw, my HD-662F did improve little after burn-in.
 


Edited by CoiL - 8/24/13 at 2:59pm
post #125 of 501

Just got the 662F. I can compare with A900, Audzee LCD2, and I've heard a good few headphones. Mine have around 24 hours burn in on them.

 

So far the 662F are good for the money. The bass is strong, but not too strong. Mids are good, clarity isn't awesome but it's not too bad and it's good for the money. To my ears the biggest problem is the highs, which are sharp and bother me a bit on most music. I'm going to have to work out how to tame them a bit if I'm going to use them, eq might do it, or changing the filter material. Comfort's ok, they clamp pretty tight, but I'm slowly bending them out and have them around books while they're burning in, which is helping a bit. Compared with the A900 (not X) bass is probably a little strong, clarity isn't as good, and the A900s highs are much more controlled. The A900X I returned as the 3D wing support system was awful, they slip down and rest on my ears which is super uncomfortable, I recommend avoiding them. Shame as the A900 was awesome but aren't available any more.

 

As headphones for work I think they might do me - at work I mostly want comfort and decent sound that's not too sharp. For studio monitoring or if you want great sound at home... keep looking, but you're going to be paying at least four times more to get much better sound.

post #126 of 501
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post

Oh, ok CoiL, my fault... With all these mods and differents versions... It becomes a mess...
Anyway, I own
-681 with AKG 240 velours pads
-modded white EVO (inner foam discs removed) + standard black EVO (with inner discs)
-662F + standard 662
IMO:
1) modded EVO has more clarity but does NOT sound like a 681 (with velours or pleather) => the EVO is not a 681 with foam discs, which would be a real scam (Superlux is not bvllshi++ing us). The EVO has, for example, a wider soundstage (with and without the inner foam), the 681 with velours has better mids (vocals) and a more controlled bass, etc.
=> EVO and 681 are diff cans. Modding your 681 will not give u an EVO. This is misinformation.
2) i cannot comment on the modded 662(F?), what mod is that? Link anyone?
3) imo, the EVOs do benefit from a long break-in (200 hours, i know, its a pain in the @ ss but bass becomes tighter and the upper-mids opened up)
(btw, the average Joe rarely reaches 200 regular listening hours at home) (for portable HP, its a different story)
4) i didn't notice any signature change after breaking-in the 662F or the 681 (i hope it will help with the standard 662 cause the upper-mids sound harsh)

 

Can you tell me more about EVO vs 681? Does better mid mean smoother or more upfront ... etc? May be 681 has better bass control because EVO has more bass? 

post #127 of 501
Do these leak sound at all?
post #128 of 501
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Just got the 662F. I can compare with A900, Audzee LCD2, and I've heard a good few headphones. Mine have around 24 hours burn in on them.

 

So far the 662F are good for the money. The bass is strong, but not too strong. Mids are good, clarity isn't awesome but it's not too bad and it's good for the money. To my ears the biggest problem is the highs, which are sharp and bother me a bit on most music. I'm going to have to work out how to tame them a bit if I'm going to use them, eq might do it, or changing the filter material. Comfort's ok, they clamp pretty tight, but I'm slowly bending them out and have them around books while they're burning in, which is helping a bit. Compared with the A900 (not X) bass is probably a little strong, clarity isn't as good, and the A900s highs are much more controlled. The A900X I returned as the 3D wing support system was awful, they slip down and rest on my ears which is super uncomfortable, I recommend avoiding them. Shame as the A900 was awesome but aren't available any more.

 

As headphones for work I think they might do me - at work I mostly want comfort and decent sound that's not too sharp. For studio monitoring or if you want great sound at home... keep looking, but you're going to be paying at least four times more to get much better sound.

Then I really recommend doing filter mod to HD-662F. Frans MkII filter is also ok with HD-662F but recommend to try the other one linked by me ( tested many different filters and this was the best for HD-662F imo). Without those harsh highs everything gets much better. Really recommend to mod it. Without filter mods and new pads HD-681 & HD-662F aren`t so good and EVO is probably better way to go.


Edited by CoiL - 8/24/13 at 11:20pm
post #129 of 501
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Do these leak sound at all?

evo is semi open..there are slits on the outer cans...which i taped up biggrin.gif

post #130 of 501

Frans made many filter options for the EVO so that you can get the bass and treble at exactly level you like, big bass - fun sound or less bass, more linear and neutral

post #131 of 501
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post

Hairspray, you can find Frans mkII filter mods from rockgrotto HD-681 modifications thread. HD-662F filter mod is also there ;)
HD-681 modifications: http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/thread/4769/superlux-hd-681-modifications

HD-662F filter mod: http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/post/124411/thread

Quote from Frans:

"The 'character' of the headphone will still be preserved.

Bass and mid presentation will not be altered by the filter.
Only the exaggerated details and 'Sss' will be balanced to normal representation.
Call me stupid but I prefer the HD681 with filter above my HD650 and DT770 and DT880."

 

Really, EVO has even larger soundstage than old HD-681? Is it noticeably larger or only little? That makes me still want to try those cans someday. Even though HD-681 already has very large soundstage & clarity imho. Maybe it depends on DAC/amp also. I`m using Aune T1. Btw, my HD-662F did improve little after burn-in.
 

- thx for the links CoiL, i'm not good at soldering though... so i will first try to put the evo's foam discs on the 662's drivers. it should tame the highs without affecting the mids?

- oh, and the modded evo has more clarity than standard evo (not the 681)

- regarding the soundstage, the evo is a bit wider than 681's soundstage with the AKG velours pads... sorry, but no, i'm not going to try with the pleather pads today tongue.gif

- i should take a break anyway.. and stop all those tests, comparisons and stuff...  i guess my ears and my brain are done.

i'm starting to get confused and i don't want to give you guys wrong advices.

 

-> i also own senneheiser, akg, beyer, koss, etc. and all i know is that the evo, the 681 and the 662F have an INSANE "price/sound quality" ratio, seriously.beerchug.gif

post #132 of 501
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Then I really recommend doing filter mod to HD-662F. Frans MkII filter is also ok with HD-662F but recommend to try the other one linked by me ( tested many different filters and this was the best for HD-662F imo). Without those harsh highs everything gets much better. Really recommend to mod it. Without filter mods and new pads HD-681 & HD-662F aren`t so good and EVO is probably better way to go.

 

Thanks for the tip. I can't really be bothered doing that, can you buy them? I'd probably just buy new headphones, or play with the equalizer. Any reason hardware's better than an EQ?

 

Still have to reduce the clamping force too, they're a bit much on my jaw, despite being stretched out on 20cm of books for a few days.

post #133 of 501

Pretty sure I'm going to return or sell my 622F's. The sound is too sharp for me, and they push quite strongly on my jaw - probably because I have a smaller than average head. I can't stand to keep them on my head for more than about 10 minutes at a time, both comfort and sound wise.

 

Back to my Beats by Dr Dre for now (much better comfort/sound), and then to the headphone store... going to have to buy something probably 4-6 times more expensive to get good sound and comfort.

post #134 of 501
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Pretty sure I'm going to return or sell my 622F's. The sound is too sharp for me, and they push quite strongly on my jaw - probably because I have a smaller than average head. I can't stand to keep them on my head for more than about 10 minutes at a time, both comfort and sound wise.

 

Back to my Beats by Dr Dre for now (much better comfort/sound), and then to the headphone store... going to have to buy something probably 4-6 times more expensive to get good sound and comfort.

 

Good lord no. The 681 EVO slaughters the beats. The Noontec Hammo (bassy), Takstar HD6000 (nice bass but neutral), Pro 80 (slightly too much treble), Bluedio R+ (very bassy, beats like, with bluetooth 4.0), all sound much better than beats for half the price or less. You could even go with the $700 HE-500, but you'll hate it unless you mod it, because it is too bass light for me.

post #135 of 501
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

 

Good lord no. The 681 EVO slaughters the beats. The Noontec Hammo (bassy), Takstar HD6000 (nice bass but neutral), Pro 80 (slightly too much treble), Bluedio R+ (very bassy, beats like, with bluetooth 4.0), all sound much better than beats for half the price or less. You could even go with the $700 HE-500, but you'll hate it unless you mod it, because it is too bass light for me.

 

I got the beats free as review units, they're not worth what they cost. They're more comfortable and have a less "sharp" sound than the 662F's. I'll probably go with Sony/Sennheiser/Beyerdynamic headphones, a lot more expensive than the Superlux but at least I can probably stand to keep them on my head. It's not worth the risk of bringing the LCD-2's to work, and they don't block enough sound out anyway.

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