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New to Head-Fi, I've been into High-End audio for 30 years. Just now getting in to headphones and portable amps. I have a Sony E-series mp3, Sennheiser 428 (bass mod one hole open) Fiio E11 and now an E12 as well. I am very happy with the E11 for the price. My new E12 is getting better with break-in but I don't like the bass boost. How can I get the original version with usable bass boost? Without the boost on the 428's still sound bass heavy. After some more break-in on the E12 I may have to re-mod or un-mod the 428's.  I'm looking for Vandersteen 2WQ type bass. Thanks everyone !

post #2 of 18

Hi ducatirob, I don't have the information you need, but.... welcome on board!  

 

Depending on how easy it is to temporarily unmod the HD 428, that's likely the cheapest direction of investigation.  

 

Another line of thought:  Do you have a rig at home with headphone output?  Putting aside portability for a moment, that might let you gauge the merit of the HD 428 when ample power response is available.... just to see what it is capable of.  

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New to Head-Fi, I've been into High-End audio for 30 years. Just now getting in to headphones and portable amps. I have a Sony E-series mp3, Sennheiser 428 (bass mod one hole open) Fiio E11 and now an E12 as well. I am very happy with the E11 for the price. My new E12 is getting better with break-in but I don't like the bass boost. How can I get the original version with usable bass boost? Without the boost on the 428's still sound bass heavy. After some more break-in on the E12 I may have to re-mod or un-mod the 428's.  I'm looking for Vandersteen 2WQ type bass. Thanks everyone !

 I had the same problem with my C5-the bass boost was extremely boomy, loud, and unusable for about 4 days. Volume levels without the boost would also change. 

 

 After the 5th day things settled down and the bass boost became barely usable, but it was a huge improvement from its original state. I don't know the reason for this, but that was my experience.

 

 I also have an E12 and it has an awesome usable bass boost, in fact the best I've heard, very smooth. I'm not sure if I have a later model or the original though. Hopefully with a bit more burn in it can reach the state of my unit. 

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New to Head-Fi, I've been into High-End audio for 30 years. Just now getting in to headphones and portable amps. I have a Sony E-series mp3, Sennheiser 428 (bass mod one hole open) Fiio E11 and now an E12 as well. I am very happy with the E11 for the price. My new E12 is getting better with break-in but I don't like the bass boost. How can I get the original version with usable bass boost? Without the boost on the 428's still sound bass heavy. After some more break-in on the E12 I may have to re-mod or un-mod the 428's.  I'm looking for Vandersteen 2WQ type bass. Thanks everyone !


Use the bass boost on the sony? its great. Do you have the Fiio sony LOD?

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I contacted  fiio and got a quick reply. I will send a photo of the package label do determine the version I have. They spec 20hz boost v.1, 50hz boost v.2. It's obvious I have the 50hz which I don't find usable even though I don't object to the boost on my E11. Thanks for the info on break-in time. I'll continue that process.

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You are correct, the bass boost on the sony is better but I would like the 20hz boost from the v.1 E12.

No I don't have the LOD. Pardon my ignorance, but what would this do for me?

post #7 of 18
LOD gives you line out direct and avoids double amping. So instead of having the Sony internal headphone amp amping the sound, and then the E12 amping again, the E12 would get the direct line level output, bypassing the Sony amp. This typically gives you better sound.
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thanks for the education. that's the way to go I'm sure.

post #9 of 18
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What have I gotten myself into with this Head Fi world of wonder ? I just placed a single layer of gauze behind the driver housing of my sennheiser428's. It is insane the difference it made. Tamed the one hole opened bass mod but at a loss of dynamics. ( or is it less resonance I'm hearing ? ). The journey continues. When my circumstances change I need some good open 'phones with great accurate bass. I've owned Grado SR80's in the past (stock) and wasn't satisfied.

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thanks for the education. that's the way to go I'm sure.

LOD cable is the way to go in any player where you can get line out.

   

Getting the DMP's amp section out of the way in favor of your outboard amp

almost certainly bound to be an improvement. 

post #11 of 18
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Well, now I have to get a player with line out. My $ 59.00 sony doesn't have one. What's good for under $150 ?
post #12 of 18

I only have experience with line-out on iPods.  Not sure of the features available from Sansa etc.

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Well, now I have to get a player with line out. My $ 59.00 sony doesn't have one. What's good for under $150 ?


Does the Sony E series not? I thought it did?

 

Pretty much just iPod's but Fiio makes a Sony LOD, so some sonys

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Well, now I have to get a player with line out. My $ 59.00 sony doesn't have one. What's good for under $150 ?

Have you looked into the FiiO X3? Great FiiO amp/DAC (based on E17 hardware) built directly into a DAP. No more carrying both a player and amp around:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/651769/fiio-x3-thread-full-review-http-www-head-fi-org-t-663600-impression-fiio-x3-high-fi-low-price

Once they come out, might be worth getting one and then selling your E11 and E12.
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That's the way I may go. It also eliminates degrading the signal through extra connections. Slightly less power than the E12 though.

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