Originally Posted by Ivabign
I'm not assuming anything - what I'm not doing is making blanket generalizations about what headphone is "better" or "running circles around" another - they are different and have different target audiences - it is apples and oranges - I would venture to say that there are more listeners who would say their 535 fits their preferred signature to a "t" than don't. Sometimes a measure of a IEMs quality is its longevity - neither the GR07 or the 535 is getting that much ink at the moment, but it seems to me that the GR07 had to cut its price to stay relevant - whereas the 535 still goes for more than $400 anywhere you go.
I guess what I'm saying is that I doubt - I'm pretty sure of this - that the VS3 is going to sound better than 60 - 70% as good as a 535 or W4 - and in this hobby, 30% is a chasm - under the laws of diminishing returns, that 30% could be worth to some hobbyists ten times the starting price of the VS3 - I mean, have you seen the money spent on cables?
It won't happen - there isn't a Santa Claus, the IRS won't forget you if you owe them, and they stop swallowing around a year after you marry them.
Nah, blanket generalizations are made when one assumes or claims something is better based only on personal preference or repeating what other people have said without hearing both sides of the story - in this case hearing both iems. I got your "they are different"argument. My argument is that I judge iems objectively despite their sound signature and in my book if an iem is faster, is more detailed and transparent, has better treble, better separation and better layering - then it is running circles around the other one (in this case the other two coz exactly the same goes for westone 4r). period.
And I've said it many times before - I like the se535, I like the shure house sound, for quite some time I was mainly into mid-centric iems and the shures and sennheiser ie7 were my favorites. Time passed, a ton of new players joined the game and the se535 as it is started to get inferior and not inferior in that price range, inferior on mid-fi level coz just a great build quality isn't worth 400 bucks nowadays with all that stiff competition and ever improving sound for cheaper and cheaper.
And if we talk longevity the ety er4 blows pretty much anything out of the water in this department being 20 years old and still so popular and not to mention that it's still using a single BA but that's another matter. And the gr07's price wasn't cut because they wanted to stay relevant but because the vsd7 was supposed to be released last year and overtake the gr07's spot as a flagman at exactly the same price, so the gr07's price remained lower after the LMUE's summer sale to clear the stocks. And how much an iem still costs years after its release doesn't prove anything - shure just likes to keep its prices up and live in an imaginary world where the shure iems are among the handful of iems with detachable cables that cost under 500 bucks, which hasn't been the case for years.
Now generalization is guessing percentages like - 60% this, 70% that, "30% is a chasm" - now that's ridiculous not that Santa Clause is real
Edited by kova4a - 6/1/14 at 7:36pm