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post #1666 of 4929
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post


by the way people buying vsd1 at 45$ are wasting their money imho,as gr07 mk2 classic is going for just 100$,,,i would say there is nothing better than it below at least 150$,,,maybe even 200$ and that should be the iem to get

Not sure. I haven't tried the classics, but I had the be's. They were good, but I don't recall enjoying them as much as (or at least any more than) the tenores or kc06's, both of which are between $50-70. Someday I hope to hear the gr07's again to confirm. My point is that there are other great options out there as well.
post #1667 of 4929
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Not sure. I haven't tried the classics, but I had the be's. They were good, but I don't recall enjoying them as much as (or at least any more than) the tenores or kc06's, both of which are between $50-70. Someday I hope to hear the gr07's again to confirm. My point is that there are other great options out there as well.


With my experience there aren't many options to gr07's below 200$,,,some are there like tdk ba200 or re400 but not many are there.

 

Also many members are reporting different findings on tenore and i expect them to be overhyped like  lot of stuff out there ,,,like vsd1 for instance.

post #1668 of 4929

VSD5 should be avaliable in witch color?

The price is around US$70 right?

post #1669 of 4929
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post
 


With my experience there aren't many options to gr07's below 200$,,,some are there like tdk ba200 or re400 but not many are there.

 

Also many members are reporting different findings on tenore and i expect them to be overhyped like  lot of stuff out there ,,,like vsd1 for instance.

Well, sheer stupidity is a bit over the top. The gr07 is a very good iem but there are a lot of new great iems. Also, you might have read somewhere joker's remark regarding upgrading from gr07 and how much it would cost but that's if you want a very similar sound signature, otherwise there are plenty of options for great iems in the same price range. And what's with the vsd1 hate. They were never overhyped. The fact is that gr07 isn't two or three times better than the vsd1s, so for a lot of people, especially on a budget not paying double or triple isn't really a stupid thing to do.

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VSD5 should be avaliable in witch color?

The price is around US$70 right?

Transparent purple or pink and yeah, should be 70 bucks.

post #1670 of 4929
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Well, sheer stupidity is a bit over the top. The gr07 is a very good iem but there are a lot of new great iems. Also, you might have read somewhere joker's remark regarding upgrading from gr07 and how much it would cost but that's if you want a very similar sound signature, otherwise there are plenty of options for great iems in the same price range. And what's with the vsd1 hate. They were never overhyped. The fact is that gr07 isn't two or three times better than the vsd1s, so for a lot of people, especially on a budget not paying double or triple isn't really a stupid thing to do.

Transparent purple or pink and yeah, should be 70 bucks.


sound is not a quantifiable entity,,,there is a good deal of difference,enough to pay 100$ for gr07 classic or re-400 instead of vsd1,,,i heard vsd1 2 days back.my brother got them recently on my advice and they are good at their price point.

 

but comparison with gr07 is futile,,there is appreciable difference between them.

 

on people buying cheaper iems,i don't really care but u need to pay more to get better sound generally so people should stop expecting to be getting a giant killer for 50$ was my point,,,and gr07 are a giant at the price of 100$ for which they are going currently.

 

as for tenore and kc06,,,well i just wish they don't turn out to be super overhyped like mh1,,,u can remember what people were claiming in that thread right,lol.

 

once again i wish to reiterate that all i am implying is that currently gr07's are a great deal at 100$ and at least to me they are untouchable at this price point,,,,so all i am suggesting people is to get them if they have got extra cash,,,if not then vsd1 and vsd3 are good in their own respect.

 

But if u have the cash then spend it wisely

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the only reason i am stressing on this point is that i wasted lot of money getting supposedely brilliant iem's for cheaper prices and none of them was good enough.

 

And i actually wasted a great deal of money.

 

90$ for brainwavz m3

100$ for sony xba h1

 

35$ for sony mh1

pro coppers for 110$(black friday sale

 

making a total of 335 $ for which i could have easily got a sony mdr 7550 or xba h3 or ie80 or ie8 or comparable iem but due to my faulty investment all i got were 4 iem's with different strengths and weaknesses.

 

At last i spent another 140$ getting gr07 and was happy at last.

So to new users this should serve as a warning.


Edited by sardar17 - 7/4/14 at 9:15am
post #1672 of 4929
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post
 

the only reason i am stressing on this point is that i wasted lot of money getting supposedely brilliant iem's for cheaper prices and none of them was good enough.

 

And i actually wasted a great deal of money.

 

90$ for brainwavz m3

100$ for sony xba h1

 

35$ for sony mh1

pro coppers for 110$(black friday sale

 

making a total of 335 $ for which i could have easily got a sony mdr 7550 or xba h3 or ie80 or ie8 or comparable iem but due to my faulty investment all i got were 4 iem's with different strengths and weaknesses.

 

At last i spent another 140$ getting gr07 and was happy at last.

So to new users this should serve as a warning.

Well, of course this hobby can take up a lot of money but IMO if you're a newcomer you should first hear a bunch of cheaper stuff and from its strengths and weakness to determine what kind of sound you're looking for. You can't just say to someone - buy this or that $100-200 iem because you like its sound. There are a lot of people who haven't liked the gr07 and found their sound preference in another iem, sometimes even a cheaper one. And mh1 is not a bad iem - it got all this attention because at the time the hype started it could be bought for 20 bucks and it was hard to complain. Yeah, its sound signature isn't for everyone but that doesn't make it bad. 

And yeah, sound is hard to quantify and put in percentages of improvement and such but diminishing returns are an actual factor. The easiest thing is to say - if you have the money you should buy this instead of that. Coz saying that one thing is totally worth the extra money even if it's several times more expensive gets you in the diminishing return area. For instance, I can tell you that you should buy a Noble 4 coz it makes the gr07 sound bad. And it does but is hard to justify paying 4 times more. The same goes for cheaper iems - saying "yeah, gr07 is a lot better than mh1, so it's justified to pay 3-4 times more"


Edited by kova4a - 7/4/14 at 9:35am
post #1673 of 4929
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Well, of course this hobby can take up a lot of money but IMO if you're a newcomer you should first hear a bunch of cheaper stuff and from its strengths and weakness to determine what kind of sound you're looking for. You can't just say to someone - buy this or that $100-200 iem because you like its sound. There are a lot of people who haven't liked the gr07 and found their sound preference in another iem, sometimes even a cheaper one. And mh1 is not a bad iem - it got all this attention because at the time the hype started it could be bought for 20 bucks and it was hard to complain. Yeah, its sound signature isn't for everyone but that doesn't make it bad. 

And yeah, sound is hard to quantify and put in percentages of improvement and such but diminishing returns are an actual factor. The easiest thing is to say - if you have the money you should buy this instead of that. Coz saying that one thing is totally worth the extra money even if it's several times more expensive gets you in the diminishing return area. For instance, I can tell you that you should buy a Noble 4 coz it makes the gr07 sound bad. And it does but is hard to justify paying 4 times more. The same goes for cheaper iems - saying "yeah, gr07 is a lot better than mh1, so it's justified to pay 3-4 times more"


There has to be some limit man.

 

Most of people here can push to 100$ from 45$ if they really want but most cannot go to 400$ from 100$ as its not a question of 4 times but also 300$ more.

 

Ur points are valid but i am sure many people will find me right after they have got vsd1/3 out of sky high expectations and are eventually disappointed.And as already stated i couldn't care less what another person gets but from my personal experience its better to spend a bit more on a proven iem than buy many cheaper iem's none of which do the trick for u.I have been through this phase.

 

Now some people have got the bucks to try anything without breaking the bank,,,my advice is for people who don't.

post #1674 of 4929
I think we often times try to be too black and white in terms of which one is better than another iems. It's like arguing over what's the greatest movie ever, then saying that it's the only movie you should watch for the rest of your life. It's obsurd to say that there's one best headphone or iem at any price range. I think it would be fair to say something is one of the best for its price at a certain time, but for me to say that the tenore, the havi, the kc06a and so on are the greatest thing you can buy would be misleading because it's only one opinion based on one set of ears that listen to them.

I like owning or experiencing as many of the mentioned iems on head fi because they all bring something different to the table. All the mentioned gear on here is special in it's own way. That's why we talk about it here.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.
post #1675 of 4929
The great thing about head fi is reading comparisons to things that I already own, in order to draw a conclusion of what I would like moving forward in terms of my next purchase. For anyone in this hobby it's a valuable resource.

I think it's awesome to have a pretty good idea of what my iem or headphone will sound like before it ever comes in. It's all in thanks to the people who contribute to these threads.
Edited by Hisoundfi - 7/4/14 at 10:24am
post #1676 of 4929
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

The great thing about head fi is reading comparisons to things that I already own, in order to draw a conclusion of what I would like moving forward in terms of my next purchase. For anyone in this hobby it's a valuable resource.

I think it's awesome to have a pretty good idea of what my iem or headphone will sound like before it ever comes in. It's all in thanks to the people who contribute to these threads.


ya man true.

i discovered yesterday that despite being muddy compared to brainwavz m3,,,,pro coppers were way more enjoyable and fun sounding.

dammit,,,just 2 days back i was laughing at someone who wrote same about h3 compared to ie800:biggrin:

 

so yeah,,,u are right each iem is different

post #1677 of 4929
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post
 


There has to be some limit man.

 

Most of people here can push to 100$ from 45$ if they really want but most cannot go to 400$ from 100$ as its not a question of 4 times but also 300$ more.

 

Ur points are valid but i am sure many people will find me right after they have got vsd1/3 out of sky high expectations and are eventually disappointed.And as already stated i couldn't care less what another person gets but from my personal experience its better to spend a bit more on a proven iem than buy many cheaper iem's none of which do the trick for u.I have been through this phase.

 

Now some people have got the bucks to try anything without breaking the bank,,,my advice is for people who don't.

Nah, it's kinda jumping to conclusions. I often get questions from people asking for an iem recommendation for $30-40 at most. So assuming that anyone can jump up to 3 times as much "if they really want" is not an argument. The difference is that I realize the power of diminishing returns and treat a 50-60 bucks price difference as a $300 coz you might think - "it's just 50 bucks more" but they think "this costs double". You'll be surprised how often people can't bump up their price limit even with 10 bucks.

I mostly replied to your post in regard to that "sheer stupidity" comment and the talk about this or that is overhyped even about stuff you haven't heard like the tenores. The gr07 is a great iem but I know a lot of people, who don't like it and think its lacking bass or is too sibilant and harsh on top. So right now it's like you're saying "buy gr07 instead of  this or that coz my personally preference is better than your personal preference" - that's all. And a lot of people based on their personal preference will tell you that one of the new hybrids is better, or that a dual BA like the vc1000 is better etc. And I get you - I'm kind of a vsonic fanboy but by no means is the gr07 more than two times better than vsd1 or vsd3 and some people can't justify that price difference. I'm not putting percentage on the sound improvement, joker was the one who said vsd1s was 90% of the gr07be. That's open for discussion but saying that the cheaper vsonics are ovehyped is ridiculous coz vsonic has been constantly providing bang for the buck. 


Edited by kova4a - 7/4/14 at 10:35am
post #1678 of 4929
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Nah, it's kinda jumping to conclusions. I often get questions from people asking for an iem recommendation for $30-40 at most. So assuming that anyone can jump up to 3 times as much "if they really want" is not an argument. The difference is that I realize the power of diminishing returns and treat a 50-60 bucks price difference as a $300 coz you might think - "it's just 50 bucks more" but they think "this costs double". You'll be surprised how often people can't bump up their price limit even with 10 bucks.

I mostly replied to your post in regard to that "sheer stupidity" comment and the talk about this or that is overhyped even about stuff you haven't heard like the tenores. The gr07 is a great iem but I know a lot of people, who don't like it and think its lacking bass or is too sibilant and harsh on top. So right now it's like you're saying "buy gr07 instead of  this or that coz my personally preference is better than your personal preference" - that's all. And a lot of people based on their personal preference will tell you that one of the new hybrids is better, or that a dual BA like the vc1000 is better etc. And I get you - I'm kind of a vsonic fanboy but by no means is the gr07 more than two times better than vsd1 or vsd3 and some people can't justify that price difference. I'm not putting percentage on the sound improvement, joker was the one who said vsd1s was 90% of the gr07be. That's open for discussion but saying that the cheaper vsonics are ovehyped is ridiculous coz vsonic has been constantly providing bang for the buck. 


yes in that scenario i already stated that tey ought to get vsd1/3.

my advice was for people who can scale up investment to 100$ as gr07 classic which is mk2 rally used to go for 180$,,,,now it is going for just 100$ making it an exceptional deal

post #1679 of 4929
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post
 


yes in that scenario i already stated that tey ought to get vsd1/3.

my advice was for people who can scale up investment to 100$ as gr07 classic which is mk2 rally used to go for 180$,,,,now it is going for just 100$ making it an exceptional deal

That's the point - it might be a deal but that doesn't mean its sound is for everyone or that there aren't any other similarly great iems in that price range, so that "sheer stupidity" comment was uncalled for and sounded a bit elitist.

post #1680 of 4929
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Nah, it's kinda jumping to conclusions. I often get questions from people asking for an iem recommendation for $30-40 at most. So assuming that anyone can jump up to 3 times as much "if they really want" is not an argument. The difference is that I realize the power of diminishing returns and treat a 50-60 bucks price difference as a $300 coz you might think - "it's just 50 bucks more" but they think "this costs double". You'll be surprised how often people can't bump up their price limit even with 10 bucks.

I mostly replied to your post in regard to that "sheer stupidity" comment and the talk about this or that is overhyped even about stuff you haven't heard like the tenores. The gr07 is a great iem but I know a lot of people, who don't like it and think its lacking bass or is too sibilant and harsh on top. So right now it's like you're saying "buy gr07 instead of  this or that coz my personally preference is better than your personal preference" - that's all. And a lot of people based on their personal preference will tell you that one of the new hybrids is better, or that a dual BA like the vc1000 is better etc. And I get you - I'm kind of a vsonic fanboy but by no means is the gr07 more than two times better than vsd1 or vsd3 and some people can't justify that price difference. I'm not putting percentage on the sound improvement, joker was the one who said vsd1s was 90% of the gr07be. That's open for discussion but saying that the cheaper vsonics are ovehyped is ridiculous coz vsonic has been constantly providing bang for the buck. 

I'm a noob, so who is this joker guy? is it a part of innerfidelity? 

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