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Sennheiser RS180 vs HD650

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone!

 

So, I've owned a pair of Sennheiser HD650 for a couple of years now and I've been quite happy with them. Lately I've been thinking of going wireless and buy the RS180 headphones.

I will use them mostly for watching movies and TV series, but also for some music from time to time.

 

So my question is, how does the RS180 compare to the HD650?

Also, for all you RS180 owners, can they play loud?

post #2 of 11

Hi Dumie. I have both the HD650 and the RS180. I have no affiliation or financial interest in Sennheiser or its dealers. I also don't have "golden ears" so can only share my impressions. The sound for these two models is in the same ballpark as far as warmth and range, even soundstage (where 650's have a discernible edge). However, the 650's win out in terms of what I call "presence" and articulation/transparency - revealing the individual instruments in a piece of music better. The RS180's are not quite in the same class, but are still an enjoyable listen and, of course, much less expensive. I like the 180's but confess I mainly pick them up when I want to be wireless. The 180's sound a bit more congested/blurred than the 650's. In TV terms, the color seems similar but it is like the difference between 720p and 1080p.

 

As far as loudness, the 180's go loud enough enough for me (rock music, etc.) but I do not play at high volumes routinely or often. I tried to dial them up as high as they'd go, and would not say they are as loud as other, wired cans I use. The sound began to be a bit distorted at the highest volume.I used an amplifier as well, between the sound source, DAC and base station. At the highest level they were listenable, which is too high for me,but they sounded okay (but, of course, too loud for me). YMMV, and I wouldn't recommend high volumes in any event. But for most listeners, I would say they get loud enough.

 

Hope this is helpful.

post #3 of 11
I have tried the senn 5xx series 4xx series and rs 170/180. Rs 180 is comparable to senn hd 558/598 but more enjoyable than them.
post #4 of 11

I believe the HD650 has shared its drivers with the RS220 and possibly 180, although i am not sure on the 180's.

 

They were going for a HD650 ish sound with the higher end RS line, to mimic their ultimate music listeners headphone, the HD650. (opposed to the HD800's which were just simply designed to be  THE BEST regardless of pleasure)

 

as far as wireless headsets go id go with none other than the senns, that being said i dislike wireless, would you consider speakers for TV/Movie watching?

Just for me i do not enjoy headphones for TV etc.

 

All headphones will play "loud" given the power.. the highest i will ever go will be about 95dB for a few mins to rock out ;) and usual listening level between 70 and 80.


Have you perhaps thought about buying an extension cord? could save money if you are going after a headphone that sounds the same/similar.

post #5 of 11

THe RS220's do use the same drivers as the HD650's. The RS180's have a different driver.

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Originally Posted by Dumle View Post

Hi everyone!

 

So, I've owned a pair of Sennheiser HD650 for a couple of years now and I've been quite happy with them. Lately I've been thinking of going wireless and buy the RS180 headphones.

I will use them mostly for watching movies and TV series, but also for some music from time to time.

 

So my question is, how does the RS180 compare to the HD650?

Also, for all you RS180 owners, can they play loud?

What are you using to drive the HD650s?

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thank you for all your valuable input, especially b3wannabe for such a detailed post. The RS180 seems to be a great pair of headphones for me.

 

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Originally Posted by Cakensaur View Post

 

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as far as wireless headsets go id go with none other than the senns, that being said i dislike wireless, would you consider speakers for TV/Movie watching?

Just for me i do not enjoy headphones for TV etc.

 

All headphones will play "loud" given the power.. the highest i will ever go will be about 95dB for a few mins to rock out ;) and usual listening level between 70 and 80.


Have you perhaps thought about buying an extension cord? could save money if you are going after a headphone that sounds the same/similar.

 

I use speakers normally, but I need headphones not to disturb my neighbours when watching something late at night. Also, I need them wireless since the cable always gets in the way for me.

 

 

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

What are you using to drive the HD650s?

 

I'm currently using a Pro-Ject Head Box II.

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Dumle View Post

Hi everyone!

So, I've owned a pair of Sennheiser HD650 for a couple of years now and I've been quite happy with them. Lately I've been thinking of going wireless and buy the RS180 headphones.
I will use them mostly for watching movies and TV series, but also for some music from time to time.

So my question is, how does the RS180 compare to the HD650?
Also, for all you RS180 owners, can they play loud?

Way late, but as I also have the exact same combo of HD650 and RS180 hooked up to our media center in the loft, I can tell you the following for "us" when it come to these two headphones.

First off - Big advantage over the HD650 is that you can just "Add" more headphones! (Up to 4 total, and each ear OF EACH HEADPHONE has individual left & right volume controls in case you have severe hearing loss or sensitivity in one ear.)


We had the RS180s already for movie viewing and late-night TV watching when others are asleep. They are loud enough for us, and we usually keep them around 75% of max volume when we're really into a movie. Probably about 80% for really good, dynamic music. (Re: Wagner, Holst, OLD Genesis, Pink Floyd, and the like.). The HD650s go a bit louder.

I bought the HD650 and Graco SR225e to take "the next step" in audio enjoyment.

Both my wife and I blind-tested the Sennheisers along with the Gracos (which ended up losing to both and going back. We just aren't into the way they emphasize the highs, but I will say that they had amazing detail if that is your preference.) and both of us picked the HD650s as favorites for sound, feel/quality, and comfort.

Sound - when plugged directly into our surround sound headphones out, the HD650s had the edge over the RS180 for music. A little more detail, a lot more "open", wider soundstage without feeling unnatural, and slightly more "impact".
The difference is when we plug the HD650s into the ASGARD2 headphone amp (by SCHIIT Audio). The HD650 just become more "everything". Deeper voiced, more impactful, cleaner and faster, and TONS louder. Maybe 40% of max volume is good for us. We tried putting the base unit of the RS180 on the ASGARD2 to see if it would make any difference, and it does a little. It gets a little louder, but that's it. The RS180s sound great, but it just stops improving and only gets a little louder with the ASGARD2. The RS180 sound is what we get and that's all. Hugely enjoyable for TV. Better than any other earbuds or headphones we have other than the HD650s.

So I'd rank them un-EQ'd like this:
Normal - All the "Consumer" headphones and earbuds we have laying around.
Better than normal - Grado SR225e unamped or amped. (Too "shrill" and uncomfortable for our tastes, but not for others I'd imagine. Could fix with EQ tweaking, but why bother if the others are better untouched?). Can't see wearing for more than an hour or two AT MOST.
Better than normal/beginning Audiophile - The RS180s.
Beginning Audiophile - The HD650s out of regular Panasonic SC-PT750 Home Theater {EDITED}
Audiophile - The HD650s powered by the ASGARD2 amp.
"High-end" Audiophile - Maybe I'll get there someday, but I'm enjoying the music setup I have NOW and that's good enough for me!
Edited by knorris908 - 10/3/14 at 4:04am
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What is 'a regular headphone jack'?

post #10 of 11
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What is 'a regular headphone jack'?

Sorry about that. I meant to go and look up the headphone amp specs as the system is only rated by speaker total (1000 watt).

It's just an old and VERY basic Panasonic SC-PT750 with 1000 watts and a 5-CD changer with wireless rear speakers we brought over from my old apartment when we moved.

Again, sorry. I got sidetracked with some on-call work while trying to find anything meaningful to help with determining the headphone output capacity. (It's been discontinued for YEARS.)
Edited by knorris908 - 10/3/14 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by knorris908 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

What is 'a regular headphone jack'?


It's just an old and VERY basic Panasonic SC-PT750 with 1000 watts and a 5-CD changer with wireless rear speakers we brought over from my old apartment when we moved.

 

 

 If your Panasonic SC-PT750 really puts out 1000 watts I'd hang on to it as it may become a collector's item. Most such units barely put out 10 watts, so yours has obviously been supercharged. Approach it with caution.  :D 

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