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post #16 of 35
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

I don't know many people who would describe the T1's as having a small sound stage.

 

+1

 

they just need a better amp i think.

post #17 of 35

Not surprised...I hated the HDP / T1 combo. For a budget, the Schiit Valhalla + T1s are outstanding. If you're not on a budget, the WA2/T1 combo is phenomenal!

post #18 of 35

I heard the T1 at a headphone meet a couple of weeks ago, so keep this in mind while reading the following paragraph.

 

I really liked the DT880. it did almost everything right for me, so naturally I jumped at the chance to try out the T1 (it was on a Burson amp, can't remember which). It struck me as unnaturally thin and cold, and this was after the HD800. It seemed to lack low end extension and impact, and the midrange was too recessed for my liking. The treble also wasn't my favorite at the meet either. 

 

I think I can confidently say that I preferred the K702 Annies over the T1.

 

Again, take this with a grain of salt.

post #19 of 35

could be the amp.

post #20 of 35
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I heard the T1 at a headphone meet a couple of weeks ago, so keep this in mind while reading the following paragraph.

 

I really liked the DT880. it did almost everything right for me, so naturally I jumped at the chance to try out the T1 (it was on a Burson amp, can't remember which). It struck me as unnaturally thin and cold, and this was after the HD800. It seemed to lack low end extension and impact, and the midrange was too recessed for my liking. The treble also wasn't my favorite at the meet either. 

 

I think I can confidently say that I preferred the K702 Annies over the T1.

 

Again, take this with a grain of salt.

The Burson HA160 is absolutely horrible with the T1s....as bad as the HDP. 

post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Not surprised...I hated the HDP / T1 combo. For a budget, the Schiit Valhalla + T1s are outstanding. If you're not on a budget, the WA2/T1 combo is phenomenal!


Yea there's just something about HDP and T1 that doesn't work. I think its a combination of a sub-par DAC for a headphones this revealing, slightly bright sound of the amp and the fact that it only outputs about 90 mW into 600 ohm load. Even though it has enough gain for a high volume...but as it was said before, high volume doesn't mean they're properly driven.

 

As far as Schiit Valhalla goes, its well within my budget and would be a decent solution. How about the Lyr? Did you try it with the T1 maybe?   I'd like to get the WA2, but considering I need a DAC as well, its above my budget.

post #22 of 35
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Yea there's just something about HDP and T1 that doesn't work. I think its a combination of a sub-par DAC for a headphones this revealing, slightly bright sound of the amp and the fact that it only outputs about 90 mW into 600 ohm load. Even though it has enough gain for a high volume...but as it was said before, high volume doesn't mean they're properly driven.

 

As far as Schiit Valhalla goes, its well within my budget and would be a decent solution. How about the Lyr? Did you try it with the T1 maybe?   I'd like to get the WA2, but considering I need a DAC as well, its above my budget.

The Schiit stack of Valhalla/Bifrost would be a great place to start. The T1s being 600 ohms sound their best with OTL tube amps like the Valhalla.

post #23 of 35
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The Burson HA160 is absolutely horrible with the T1s....as bad as the HDP. 

 

Like I said, grain of salt redface.gif

post #24 of 35
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

Like I said, grain of salt redface.gif

No worries. I suggest you see if you can hear them with a good OTL amp. smile.gif

post #25 of 35
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The Schiit stack of Valhalla/Bifrost would be a great place to start. The T1s being 600 ohms sound their best with OTL tube amps like the Valhalla.

 

 

Thanks, I might go for the Valhalla then. Little Dot MkIV SE is another option at the moment.  As far as DAC's go, I think I'd take the Musical Fidelity M1DAC, Arcam DAC or Cambridge Audio Dacmagic, since I can actually test them out. Do you know how the Bifrost would compare to any of those?

post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

Thanks, I might go for the Valhalla then. Little Dot MkIV SE is another option at the moment.  As far as DAC's go, I think I'd take the Musical Fidelity M1DAC, Arcam DAC or Cambridge Audio Dacmagic, since I can actually test them out. Do you know how the Bifrost would compare to any of those?

The Bifrost is better than the DacMagic and M1DAC by Musical Fidelity to my ears. 

post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The Bifrost is better than the DacMagic and M1DAC by Musical Fidelity to my ears. 

 

Hmm, interesting. Well, I had the M1DAC quite a while ago in a speaker setup, liked it very much, nice warm sound with a very solid and powerful bass, which I thought might be a nice addition to the T1.   How is the Bifrost in terms of sound signature and soundstage? I don't care much for huge amounts of micro-detail, I want musicality, great imaging and soundstage, I want to bring my headphone setup as close to the feeling of listening to a good speaker system, since I cant use that anymore.  And one more question about Valhalla, do you know if there is any noticable hum or hiss at any volume level? I talked to a guy on another forum who has the Little Dot MkIII and said his DT880's hiss a bit using it. Is that the case with most OTL's or are they usually completely silent like solid states?

post #28 of 35
As with most headphones of this caliber the source is crucial. Start with the back of the setup namely your files, dac etc than work your way forward. Headphones such as t1 and hd800 are extremely revealing so if your source is badly recorded chances are you're gonna notice. Getting good dac or cd transport is critical to making them sing. Than comes the question of amps. If you're working on a budget I suggest you try reading up on some budget amps namely the crack or vallhalla. Admittedly I've yet to try any of these but I've always been a fan of the crack looks and been wanting to order 1 but due to time and space constraints am unable to do so. I can vouch that schiit makes fantastic amp as I've own one of their amps before so you can't go wrong with them interms of build and sound. Although it would be best if you could test both yourself. Good luck.
post #29 of 35
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Just an update, today I've tested the T1's with a Teac UD-H01 in a local hi-fi store. It was only a very very short listen, about 10 minutes, with a Chris Rea Road to hell CD. Didn't have my HDP with me to test side by side, which I will do during this week, probably friday.  So take this with a grain of salt, but I think the T1's sounds better out the UD-H01 than they do out of the HDP. There's more body to the sound, it sounds more coherent somehow and less bright, but not less detailed. I specifically know this album is pretty sibilant on the HDP, but not so much on thee H01.  The problem is, its headphone output is weak, it doesn't push the T1's very loud, only to about comfortable listening volume, enough for most situation I guess. But the amp section is very transparent obviously since it allows the DAC section of H01 to shine, and its obviously a superior unit to HDP in those regards, no need to even test them side by side to tell that with absolute certainty. I also talked to the guy in the store and he said that in about 3 weeks they will get a new series of Teac headphones amps and DAC's, the HA-501 and UD-501, so I'm looking forward to testing that out if I don't buy something else before.

post #30 of 35

I have both the Little Dot Mk IV and Sennheiser HD 650 for several years now.  While the combination sounds good, it could never match the performance of the music coming out of my Martin Logan electrostatic speakers.  It really is not a fair comparison as my preamp/amp/speaker system costs many thousands of dollars more.

 

Recently, I decided to try and upgrade my headphone system to see if it could match the sound quality of my speakers.  I ordered a Bottlehead Mainline amp which is on its way, and purchased a used T1 which arrived a few days ago.

 

I plugged the T1 into the Little Dot and the improvement of the sound over the HD 650 was astounding!  All the reviews that I read evaluating the T1 praising the realism and transparency of the sound were true.  It also highlighted what some reviewers said was the "laid back" rolled off treble response of the HD 650.

 

The only area of disappointment was the soundstaging.  It was slightly better than the HD 650, in my opinion, but nowhere near the clear placement of instruments and vocals that my Martin Logan speakers can deliver.

 

Perhaps that will change when I assemble and audition the Bottlehead Mainline amp.

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