|Originally posted by prisoner #6
You've supported my point quite well, fewtch. Thanks!! All those folks who used their "ears and thinking capabilities" came to a sudden, complete 180-degree turnaround: what was previously a good-sounding amp was now a "POS." And your careful tests undoubtedly played a crucial role in converting them! More power to you.
You give me much more power than I'm due. Let's look at the overall situation:
(1) The OBH-11 was already discontinued at this point, and the common selling price in Gear FS/Trade late last year was about $100 for one in perfect mint condition. These days, you rarely or never run into one being sold here, period. If someone asked me directly I'd say go for a Headsave MiniMe
(maxed out MINT) for around $100, if they wanted to buy in that price range -- unless that pretty black screen-printed case was of overriding importance to them. That's because the MiniMe just sounds better... much better. If you've got $110 lying around, try one and decide for yourself.
(2) The default OBH-1 wall wart supplied with the OBH-11 is a 10-cent Chinese-made piece of junk (and the much better OBH-2 was selling for more than the cost of a used OBH-11). Dunno if you've recognized the benefits of clean power yet, but once you do you'll be a believer for life.
(3) I was one of the main people recommending the OBH-11 around here for awhile last year, well after PinkFloyd posted an "expose" of the crappy parts used in the amp. In fact, I was angry with PinkFloyd for judging the amp mostly based on the quality of parts without taking SQ into account.
(4) I've really only "dis-recommended" the OBH-11 a few times -- there's no reason to anymore. They aren't being sold new and they've become very scarce. There are now a ton of choices on the headphone amp market, including some excellent DIY models that deliver far beyond what they cost. If certain people really lack the capability to think/decide for themselves, you can't blame me for someone blindly following my recommendation against the OBH-11. I'm just a single person, not a one-man army.
It would probably be worth explaining, though, why discontinuing a product has anything to do with it being a "POS." Based on that reasoning we'd have to conclude that all those Meier HA-1s that jude's been auctioning over on ebay are being unloaded because they're clearly unlistenable. I mean, after all, they've been discontinued! Better get the word out!
Sorry we disagree about the OBH-11. I'm not going to go on with this and turn it into a thread crap. It's nearly pointless now, because it takes real work to find an OBH-11 at this point... you just don't run into them much anymore.