Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki
Really? Ringo set the stage? I'm sorry but that is horribly incorrect. He was a good drummer, but not great. Yes, many imitate him, but imitation does not mean it was the best, but rather it could be imitated. Most drummers I know don't idolize Ringo, they idolize Neil Peart, Kieth Moon, Ginger Baker, and John Bonham (If they are going after rock). Ringo popularized off-beat drumming in rock and pop music, which did in fact catch on with many people, but that is like saying that Les Paul popularized the solid body electric guitar (while many falsely believe he invented it). Off beat drumming was very popular btw before Starr, it has been used in music much before him. Did those drummers sound like Starr? Not really, but they used the same techniques to sound unique themselves.
EDIT: Even Starr himself said in an interview (according to Wiki) "Whenever I hear another drummer I know I'm no good. I'm no good on the technical things ... I'm your basic offbeat drummer with funny fills. The fills were funny because I'm really left-handed playing a right-handed kit. I can't roll around the drums because of that."
But you know what? If you really want to talk drummers there is a saying among those who play drums. Anyone can play rock, but it takes talent to play jazz. If you want to see who almost every drummer truly idolizes look no further than Buddy Rich. Though I also love Joe Morello. But seriously, no one touches Buddy Rich in terms of pure talent, finesse, style, rhythm, energy, or practically anything else you can think of when it comes to drumming. Those four rock drummers I mentioned before? All great, and yet I doubt that they could match Rich at anything in his prime, or even later in his career probably. And there is a reason why some of the best drummers in the world still come together to hold memorial concerts for Buddy Rich (I believe Dave Weckl and Ginger Baker among others played at the last one I believe in the UK last year for the 25th anniversary of his passing).
I play drums myself.
Off beat drumming, technically, makes no sense.
I assume you mean syncopation?
Sure, Ringo didn't invent syncopation. This concept is extremely old.
Buddy Rich is the jazz drummer that rock drummers admire.
He is not the jazz drummer that jazz drummers admire. He was a big band drummer.
Jazz drummers will name guys like Tony Williams, Jack DeJohnnette, Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Joe Morello, Brian Blade, etc.
There are many drummers who admire Ringo, for example, Phil Collins, who is an outstanding drummer.
Ringo is probably the most imitated drummer in all of Pop and Rock drumming.
Rock drummers love Peart ( as do I) but his playing has no influence in most rock and pop music.
Technically one could argue that Ringo is a better drummer than Moon. Moon never played in any time signature other than 4/4.
Ringo played in many odd time signatures.
Ringo could play many different styles.
It's about supporting the song, not blowing everyone away with your technique. Making the song sound good.
Not anyone can play rock drums.
Ask any session drummer.
And if you're going to imitate someone, imitate the best, for example: Ringo.
Why do you think producers used to tell session drummers in the late sixties and early seventies to play like Ringo? Not play simple, play like Ringo.Edited by Chris J - 6/26/13 at 5:13am