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post #16 of 98
It's a generational thing. The Beatles did it first, the rest are but another band trying to be as successful.
post #17 of 98

They weren't the first. There were plenty of those poppy rock bands in that era. They were arguably the best at that style, though. I do dig their stuff, I won't be coy anymore.

 

 

I really dig the way Lennon introduced this song, haha.

 


Edited by Origin89 - 6/20/13 at 3:46pm
post #18 of 98

If you don't like a genre, its easy to claim 'overrating' of any popular band/group/artist.

post #19 of 98

Regardless whether you liked them or not . Name another group that wrote so many popular songs that were copied by people like Frank Sinatra various "soul singers" and a host of very well known US singers. Frank is on record as saying he hated "rock+roll" I agree that "rock+roll" started long before the 50s in the 40s Bobby Socksers"  were jiving to "swing". Also in the 40s you had="good rocking tonight"- Wynonie Harris all stars -Were gonna rock, were gonna roll-wild bill Moore-"that's all right mama-arthur "big boy"crudup and a very long list of black singers who had songs "ripped off" by later "white boys" who like Pat  Boone unashamedly took songs from people like " Little Richards etc changed the words to please  the authorities and made a fortune .

                I have a long list of  "black music" Cd's  from the 30s Blues to the mid 50s names that some people forget were the heritage of US music but because of politics at that time meant black singers didn't make the same money nor were they given nationwide publicity.

                 And Bill Haley had songs out long before "Rock Around The Clock" with -Wreak on the Highway-etc To me the sound of suffering in the songs way back then are the true spirit rock/folk etc. Although I am from the UK I like US music as it is one of several big pluses for the US to put to the World.and the US should make more use of it.    

post #20 of 98
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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

Regardless whether you liked them or not . Name another group that wrote so many popular songs that were copied by people like Frank Sinatra various "soul singers" and a host of very well known US singers. Frank is on record as saying he hated "rock+roll" I agree that "rock+roll" started long before the 50s in the 40s Bobby Socksers"  were jiving to "swing". Also in the 40s you had="good rocking tonight"- Wynonie Harris all stars -Were gonna rock, were gonna roll-wild bill Moore-"that's all right mama-arthur "big boy"crudup and a very long list of black singers who had songs "ripped off" by later "white boys" who like Pat  Boone unashamedly took songs from people like " Little Richards etc changed the words to please  the authorities and made a fortune .

                I have a long list of  "black music" Cd's  from the 30s Blues to the mid 50s names that some people forget were the heritage of US music but because of politics at that time meant black singers didn't make the same money nor were they given nationwide publicity.

                 And Bill Haley had songs out long before "Rock Around The Clock" with -Wreak on the Highway-etc To me the sound of suffering in the songs way back then are the true spirit rock/folk etc. Although I am from the UK I like US music as it is one of several big pluses for the US to put to the World.and the US should make more use of it.    

 

Word. The Blues is where it's at, and was the primary influence for all rock music. The influence of guys like Robert Johnson, Blind Jefferson, Lonnie Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc... is undeniable. 

 

As for The Beatles. It's not just that they wrote some of the catchiest songs of that era, but they would speak honestly no matter what ******** the media threw at them... especially Lennon. He was truly digging into the truths of life, and that was much needed at the time and still is today.  


Edited by Origin89 - 6/21/13 at 10:22am
post #21 of 98

 I am a jazz fan,

but I really appreciate the contribution of the Beatles,a beautiful example of what happens when you are open to all influences.

Maybe on a technical level they were not top musicians,except for Paul Mc's bass playing,but they put music first, before ego.

I think they are up there in the category of Armstrong,Ellington,Miles and Trane.

And look we are still talking about them.

post #22 of 98
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Originally Posted by Origin89 View Post

Word. The Blues is where it's at, and was the primary influence for all rock music. The influence of guys like Robert Johnson, Blind Jefferson, Lonnie Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc... is undeniable. 
The discussion reminded me of a quote attributed to Muddy Waters that someone once repeated to me. So, I searched and bingo (1st hit):
http://rockinsociety.com/2013/01/18/the-blues-gave-birth-to-rock-and-roll/
Anyway, thx for the really interesting posts!
post #23 of 98

Muddy Waters is the man... Always liked that guy.

post #24 of 98

There were many other bands then that were similar to them. They just got more air time and became more famous than the rest.

post #25 of 98
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There were many other bands then that were similar to them. They just got more air time and became more famous than the rest.

 

Partially true, but they were better than most bands of their time. It wasn't an accident.

post #26 of 98
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

There were many other bands then that were similar to them. They just got more air time and became more famous than the rest.

 


so,  water is wet and alligators need better dentists?  both of your statements are true.  neither of your statements says anything substantial or adds to any discussion.  are you just into making "postcount ++" posts?

post #27 of 98
Another idiotic Beatles discussion.
I think I just dropped 5 IQ points.
I'll try to write a slack jawed response.

Most of the Beatles comtemporary rock and pop musicians were in awe of their songwriting and production.
Difficult to find the bands who sounds like The Beatles before the Beatles when you get to albums like Help and Rubber Soul.
Show me the drummer who sounded like Ringo before Ringo came on the scene.
That guy doesn't exist..
The ugly truth is, stylistically, he may be the most imitated drummer of all time.
His parts MAY sound simple, a lot of them are not. Many of his recorded performances are masterpieces of economy, taste and subtlety. The art of pop drumming (well, most drumming) is supporting the song, the singer, the soloists.

Flame suit on, fire away!
post #28 of 98
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so,  water is wet and alligators need better dentists?  both of your statements are true.  neither of your statements says anything substantial or adds to any discussion.  are you just into making "postcount ++" posts?

 

I don't need to, its a simple yes or no. And I could care less about your opinion.

post #29 of 98
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

 

I don't need to, its a simple yes or no. And I could care less about your opinion.

yet you posted neither a simple "yes" nor "no".  you simply stated two frivolous facts, remarkably devoid of content or anything resembling a meaningful addition to the dialog at hand.  so, among other things you don't care about, being relevant must also be at or near the top of that prestigious list.  how proud you must be.  but you did add another cotton candy post to your glorious count. i'd hope that means something to you, since content or opinion don't seem to.

post #30 of 98
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Another idiotic Beatles discussion.
I think I just dropped 5 IQ points.
I'll try to write a slack jawed response.


Most of the Beatles comtemporary rock and pop musicians were in awe of their songwriting and production.
Difficult to find the bands who sounds like The Beatles before the Beatles when you get to albums like Help and Rubber Soul.
Show me the drummer who sounded like Ringo before Ringo came on the scene.
That guy doesn't exist..
The ugly truth is, stylistically, he may be the most imitated drummer of all time.
His parts MAY sound simple, a lot of them are not. Many of his recorded performances are masterpieces of economy, taste and subtlety. The art of pop drumming (well, most drumming) is supporting the song, the singer, the soloists.

Flame suit on, fire away!

 

 

Your point might be better received if you gave it with a bit of class... instead of insulting people. I'm guessing that everything you discuss is of the utmost importance since you would make such a remarkable statement... This is an easy-going forum, dude. Lighten up a little.

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