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post #1 of 17
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These are 3 new portable headphones, I ended up buying all 3, since most people probably do not get to test them all together I thought I would write my impressions of how they compare. Any impressions of the UE6000 are in passive mode.

 

Comfort :                            UE6000 > Momentum > M-100

 

The UE6000 are possibly the comfiest headphones I have ever used, the momentums are a bit small but if your ears fit inside the cups then they have enough depth and are pretty comfy. The v-moda are not good for comfort, strong clamp, no tilting ear cups and shallow / hard pads not good for comfort!

 

Bass quantity :                  M-100 > Momentum > UE6000

 

Bass quality :                     M-100 > Momentum > UE6000

 

M-100 have the most bass and the best quality as well, although if you have to mod the Vmoda to fit your ears then this messes the bass up, un-modded the M-100 take the basshead award. UE6000 have good sub bass but the mid bass is a bit loose and weak in passive mode. I like them Momentums bass a lot and it goes right down to the limits of hearing.


Lower midrange :              Momentum > UE6000 > M-100

 

As usual sennheiser has awesome lower mids, natural and smooth. UE6000 are surprisingly good here as well, especially for the price, M-100 are not so good here TBH, the mids are quite hidden behind the bass. The momentums have a really nice, punchy and fast sound, reminds me of a nice pair of stand-mount speakers.


Upper midrage :                Momentum > M-100 > UE6000


Momentum is the best here again. M-100 are good although they do not have the transparency and realistic tone of the Momentums, good in their own way, just not very realistic or natural. UE6000 are good but not great here, if they were not being compared to 2 headphones which are twice the price they would be good.


Lower treble :                    Momentum >  M-100 > UE6000


The whole treble response of the Momentums is good, it sounds even and does not have any obvious peaks, it has a very slightly harsh sound although good overall. The UE6000 is very dark and has a slightly sibilant and grainy sound, although not bad at all. M-100 are pretty recessed in the lower treble and technically not great but somehow it works quite well with the rest of the treble on the headphone.


Upper treble :                    Momentum > M-100 > UE6000


The M-100 has a big treble spike at 8-12Khz which pretty much makes up most of treble of this headphone as everything else in the treble region is quite recessed, this makes the treble sound quite thin, although good for electronic music. The momentum sounds even in the treble and more natural compared to the M-100 as you can hear the whole of the treble evenly from 5khz all the way up to 20khz. The UE6000 are OK but just not really as good as the other two and too dark.


Soundstage :                      M-100  > UE6000 > Momentum


I find the M-100 is bigger than the others but a bit unnatural sounding, it is good, just not very natural and sound a bit odd at times. If I could change one thing about the Momentum it would be larger cups and larger sound-stage and this does spoil the momentums a fair amount. UE6000 is decent, does not really do anything wrong, although nothing very impressive either, this pretty much sums up the whole sound of the UE6000.


Overall sound :                  Momentum > M-100 > UE6000    


The Momentums just have a really nice sound that has no real weakneses and sounds great from the bass to the treble with no weak points, except for the small cups and soundstage. The M-100 are a bit uneven for me with the bass and treble peaks, but somehow it works well with certain genres, although these are not all rounders, they are nice with some genres. The UE6000 are good value for around £100 if you can get them for that.


Overall sound / value / comfort:             Momentum > UE6000 > M-100


Momentum are the best overall headphones if they fit you around the ear, UE6000 are a solid headphone which are good if you can pick them up around £100, M-100 sound good although I feel they are a bit over priced at £280 and only good for certain genres. The genres that they are good at though, they do well, once you have got used to the slightly odd sound of them. I think the M-100 are really good at electronic or synthesized sounds, but not so good when it comes to reproducing real sounds, voices, instruments etc. best on a budget UE6000.


Edited by nicholars - 6/29/13 at 10:58am
post #2 of 17

Nice comparison,thank you!

 

I would really like to try the sennheiser momentum,but the local retailer here does not have them in stock (you have to order them)

 

So many good comments for these headphones! 

 

I guess my ears are a bit big for these? My ears are 6.5cm long from top to bottom,although they don't stick out much.Do you thing they would fit inside the cups,or they would be uncomfortable?

 

My MDR 1R is not what I would call a good headphone for portable use unfortunatelly(for me),and I'm thinking to sell it (though I'm not sure yet because I like it for lower volume listening at home/quiet places)

My Shure srh 840 would be good for portable use if it wasn't so big and funny looking on the head.

post #3 of 17
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I measured them for you, they are about 3.5cm across and about 5.5cm height... The depth should not be a problem unless you have extremely sticking out ears, they are pretty deep, just a bit small around. You can sort of tuck your ears into the pads because the inside of the pads is soft.

post #4 of 17

Thank you very much!

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I most certainly do not agree with the Momentums having an "even" lower treble. They have a gap at around 4K. It often goes unnoticed, but if you know what you're looking for it's obvious. For example, on symphonic music there will be sort of missing violins. Also noticed it takes the "raspiness" (and hence the fun!) out of distorted jazz guitars (eg. Mark Knopfler - Why Aye Man). It becomes very obvious when compared to another headphone that doesn't have this problem.

 

Also they're certainly not fast, when compared for example with the K518, which has a similar signature. In fact, after ABing the two (in a shop, I haven't bought them... yet) I'd say the K518 is at least 75% of the Momentums (soundwise, confort is another matter!)


Edited by Wildstar - 6/16/13 at 8:15am
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Wildstar View Post

I most certainly do not agree with the Momentums having an "even" lower treble. They have a gap at around 4K. It often goes unnoticed, but if you know what you're looking for it's obvious. For example, on symphonic music there will be sort of missing violins. Also noticed it takes the "raspiness" (and hence the fun!) out of distorted jazz guitars (eg. Mark Knopfler - Why Aye Man). It becomes very obvious when compared to another headphone that doesn't have this problem.

 

Also they're certainly not fast, when compared for example with the K518, which has a similar signature. In fact, after ABing the two (in a shop, I haven't bought them... yet) I'd say the K518 is at least 75% of the Momentums (soundwise, confort is another matter!)

 

You are right there is a big dip at around 4khz, I am not sure what the point of it is, but I guess they put it there for a reason, Other than that dip the treble is very even. I would say that the headphones are pretty fast in the bass and midrange especially they are punchy and fast. I guess for your type of music you would probably be better off with open headphones.

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Originally Posted by Wildstar View Post

I most certainly do not agree with the Momentums having an "even" lower treble. They have a gap at around 4K. It often goes unnoticed, but if you know what you're looking for it's obvious. For example, on symphonic music there will be sort of missing violins. Also noticed it takes the "raspiness" (and hence the fun!) out of distorted jazz guitars (eg. Mark Knopfler - Why Aye Man). It becomes very obvious when compared to another headphone that doesn't have this problem.

 

Also they're certainly not fast, when compared for example with the K518, which has a similar signature. In fact, after ABing the two (in a shop, I haven't bought them... yet) I'd say the K518 is at least 75% of the Momentums (soundwise, confort is another matter!)


I edited my review accordingly!

 

I am not sure the 4khz dip "problem" because I think Sennheiser probably did it on purpose, they are world class engineers and I very much doubt they would do that unintentionally

 

I think you are mistaking "fast" for exaggerated treble.


Edited by nicholars - 6/17/13 at 6:00am
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post

Nice comparison,thank you!

I would really like to try the sennheiser momentum,but the local retailer here does not have them in stock (you have to order them)

So many good comments for these headphones! 

I guess my ears are a bit big for these? My ears are 6.5cm long from top to bottom,although they don't stick out much.Do you thing they would fit inside the cups,or they would be uncomfortable?

My MDR 1R is not what I would call a good headphone for portable use unfortunatelly(for me),and I'm thinking to sell it (though I'm not sure yet because I like it for lower volume listening at home/quiet places)
My Shure srh 840 would be good for portable use if it wasn't so big and funny looking on the head.
My ears are 8cm long which adds to my problem of finding comfortable headphones. Personally I found the Momentum as a "no man's land" headphone. Not a true Circumaural and certainly not a true supra-aural. To be used as the former you would need very small ears. And as they are I found they sat on my ears and applied pressure in exactly the wrong place clamping the upper ear against my glasses wings which became quite painful after a half hour or so. You must test fit these in my view especially with your stated ear size. No way your will sit inside the cups. Not going to happen. And if you wear glasses, avoid them.

Besides that, for the reason mentioned above, they have this crazy dip at 4kHz and general treble roll off higher up. Not up to the standard of other phones in its price range. Pity as they are superbly made with a fantastic appearance and accessories. I suggest you look elsewhere.

Sorry Nicholars I know you love your Momentums from your posts elsewhere as well as here, but I don't share your enthusiasm. Just different strokes... Okay?
post #9 of 17
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Yeh no problem and I would probably agree with you, but the Momentums fit around my ears so they are circum aural. Only just admittedly, but they do. i think it you are wearing these as "On ears" they will probably not sound as good. Seems most people who don't like these cannot get a proper circum aural fit...

post #10 of 17
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Besides that, for the reason mentioned above, they have this crazy dip at 4kHz and general treble roll off higher up. Not up to the standard of other phones in its price range. Pity as they are superbly made with a fantastic appearance and accessories. I suggest you look elsewhere.

Sorry Nicholars I know you love your Momentums from your posts elsewhere as well as here, but I don't share your enthusiasm. Just different strokes... Okay?

 

Yes I have no problem with negative feedback as everyone has different preferences, personally I think that completely neutral headphones sound too bright to me, I like the way that these are pretty much neutral (as in flat with no major peaks except 4k) but also rolled off in the treble slightly so they have a warmer sound. I agree about the sizing and if these did not fit into the cups for me I would not like them either.

post #11 of 17

Thanks for the comparisons nicholars. I'm debating on these Senns vs. the 600s. I might actually get more use out of the Momentums since they are designed to be used on the go. Measured my ear length and mine are quite small right at 5.5cm so should be a perfect fit for me. 

post #12 of 17
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Well the HD600 are better for some genres and the Momentums are a better all rounder, depending on what you like to listen to.

post #13 of 17
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Well the HD600 are better for some genres and the Momentums are a better all rounder, depending on what you like to listen to.

 

Most everything but jazz or classical. Maybe some day I'll explore those genres. Which one did you go for...the black or brown Senns?

post #14 of 17
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Deffo the black, do not like the browns much.

post #15 of 17
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Hmmm


Edited by nicholars - 6/29/13 at 10:58am
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