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I've got some time, so let's put some of the things I've said BACK in context and other things.

-But for their size and price they still produce one of the most 'fun' sounds - which includes an over-emphasised bass and treble that impresses anyone that isn't accustomed to high end audio.

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

there are plenty of people here on Head-Fi who would agree that they are not likely to "impress" anyone for movie watching

-That's because headfi is full of audiophiles, not college students with massive student loans who wouldn't normally logically buy $100 loudspeakers. Obviously headfi does include more fortunate student-audiophiles who have either worked hard for their gear or whose parents have paid for their way, but we don't go around asking people about their personal situations.

- I never said it wasn't.


- I can still remember when I was a student, and everyone was poor because of massive student loans - no stereotyping needed - it was just a fact. Just because someone's parents own good audio equipment doesn't mean that they've truly heard the equipment - which naturally comes with age, experience and a large number of comparisons. After all, we're here because we love to hear music, not because we love to hear headphones/speakers. 


-This is just conjecture. 

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That's why I used the term "many 
may
 have" regarding 
possible
 other audio experience to point out that if one thinks about it, such a generalization probably doesn't hold true


-All this proves is that you're better with words than I am.  
If you take everything I've written to be an opinion from a certain perspective there's nothing to misunderstand.


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Ironically, you then follow up with the statement that "It's impossible to know the OP's background and circle of friends." 


- Only if you take everything I've written as a single body body of text to be presented as a whole - I'm not trying to write an award winning essay here. I'm offering a different perspective. Your posts assume that the OP has money to burn, he is accustomed to higher end audio equipment and that there is no merit to be found in the Bose Companion 2. 
My posts offer the perspective of a poor student with loans to pay off, and that it's not such a bad compromise. The OP stated that the TV had "god awful speakers" - the Bose Companion 2 is a good upgrade to "god awful speakers" and a good financial compromise as they are already in the OP's possession. 


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I simply do not agree with your opinions and offered counter arguments to refute the ideas in your arguments.


- Hopefully you will now be able to see from a different perspective. 

I can only speak to the US (not sure about Germany) But in 2012, over 21 million students were estimated to attend college in the US. Your individual experience cannot meaningfully be extrapolated to that large a population. Currently about 60% of students have some kind of debt. My experience comes from an institution which is fairly average in socio-economic graphics. Many students who have debt do so to cover tuition and living expenses, but then work outside jobs to have some additional disposable income so that they are living on more than the money borrowed. There are tons of students who do things like save for that $200 longboard, put aside money for that $500 spring break trip, buy $300 Beats Studios, or somehow manage to find money to buy an iPad. And surprisingly, they almost all have smartphones.

As for the quality of Bose Companion 2, I will continue to disagree. They are good $100 multimedia speakers. Since I believe that many students have probably heard more full range speakers, I doubt that they will be impressed.

And my posts do not "assume" that the OP has money to burn. All I am doing is offering recommendations in regards to his original post. In fact, I have specifically suggested he go to AVS and post with his overall budget so that he can maximize what he has/wishes to spend for his money.
post #32 of 36
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Originally Posted by LilVivi View Post

So I was thinking, maybe I'll go with the HSU HB-1 mk2 with no sub for a year then add a HSU sub. The HSU speakers are a bit more compact and easy to drive.

HB-1s are definitely good speakers for the money. But be aware that their sensitivity numbers are half space measurements at 2.83 volts, rather than the more common 1 watt/1 meter full space measurements. In comparison to speakers using the typical standard, their sensitivity rating is probably around 89db. So could be that the Polk RTi 3s sensitivity is similar (not sure). However, the Polk RTi series does have a reputation of being difficult to drive. I *think* that is because some of the speakers in the series have impedance dips down into low ohms, but once again, I'm not sure. That's why I recommended you post over at AVS. There is more expertise there on individual speakers.

If you want to look at other speakers in this price range, check out Sound and Vision's Review: Clash of the Minispeakers which covers 9 speakers including the HSUs. I run Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SEs which are also in this budget range. Ascend is another home audio Internet vendor like HSU, only they specialize strictly in speakers. The CBM-170s have a more neutral sound than the HSUs with very good transient response.

For subs, HSU is definitely one of the best manufacturers in terms of price/performance. Internet subwoofer vendors HSU, SVS Sound, Rythmik Audio, Power Sound Audio, and Outlaw Audio are considered some of the best values in enthusiast class subwoofers, better than most speaker company subs that can be found at brick and mortar stores. However, if you are looking at an 8" or 10" subwoofer, be sure to check and ask for help on that budget subwoofer list over at AVS when you are ready to buy. Often times, there can be even better values than HSU for that size sub. Either cheaper subs with better performance, or better performance for the same money.
post #33 of 36
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I'm really between the RTi A3/A1s and the HSU speakers. With the Polks I get a 5 year warranty, a larger brand with amazing customer service and very solid speakers. With the HSU speakers I get a 7 year warranty with customer service that nobody has really commented on and great speakers. I know many people have had great results with the Polks and the Lepai 2020a+ which is underpowered in comparison to the Dayton DTA-100a. I can get the Polks with the 5 year warranty for ~310 with free shipping. and the HSUs for 370 with shipping included in that amount.

post #34 of 36
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I'm really between the RTi A3/A1s and the HSU speakers. With the Polks I get a 5 year warranty, a larger brand with amazing customer service and very solid speakers. With the HSU speakers I get a 7 year warranty with customer service that nobody has really commented on and great speakers. I know many people have had great results with the Polks and the Lepai 2020a+ which is underpowered in comparison to the Dayton DTA-100a. I can get the Polks with the 5 year warranty for ~310 with free shipping. and the HSUs for 370 with shipping included in that amount.

5 to 7 years on passive speaker really probably doesn't matter. If your speakers work out of the box and the first few hundred hours, doubtful you will have problems with them during that extra 2 years unless you abuse them. Now if you were buying powered speakers, that's a different story. Electronics are much more likely to have problems.

HSU has an excellent reputation for customer service. Want to learn about it? Ask here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/808485/official-hsu-owners-support-thread.

As far as the Dayton DTA amps, once I got off Parts Express and started reading reviews on audio websites with more serious t-amp enthusiasts, I found that some of the Toppings (such as the TP21) were better recommended than the Dayton for their SQ. Ended up going with the Indeed TA2021 t-amp because it was similarly well rated as the the Toppings, and I personally like supporting individual proprietor businesses over larger companies.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Dayton is rated at 50 wpc. The TA2021 amps can do 25 wpc. That difference is probably only 3db, and it takes 10 db increase in power for a perceived doubling of volume. So the difference may not be quite as much as you think.
post #35 of 36
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

 Your individual experience cannot meaningfully be extrapolated

And there we have it again - you totally belittling my opinion.

 

I'm done here.

post #36 of 36
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

And there we have it again - you totally belittling my opinion.

Not my fault. Don't make logical fallacies. Social scientists and statisticians regularly point out the logical flaw with trying to draw conclusions about large groups based on individual experiences. It is common knowledge.
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